Vancouver Forum: PC VS MAC

I vote PC 100%. This has popped up on a few boards recently, I've found some interesting stuff.

I'm coming to the conclusion that the Apple trend is made up of two groups:
A) The Trendy's - Must have an Iphone - Status is important. We eat marketing alive.
B) Those that can't troubleshoot, build there own PC.

Some interesting stuff has popped up.

Note, this is a partisan stand point. I've made my mind, so I don't see the need to put up MAC promotions.

Not in favor of the "Apple tax."

PC is customizable, MAC is not. Apple components are often custom made, and incompatible with third party hardware.

Contrary to popular opinion, OSX is venerable to viruses/malware.
Apple Advises Anti-Virus Use On MAC OSX

Malware authors take aim at growing number of Macs

OSX is weak,
Mac hacked in less than 30 minutes

Mac cracked first: two min

Mac hacked in 10 seconds

Manufacturing is a hidden friend:

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The story of 7 MacBooks, and he's still a customer?

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PC, thats about all I know and as for Mac I always liked them but lack of software and price kept me away.
Mac's are a lot better now, but Ill stay with PC a while longer.

Every person I've ever met that owns a mac has one because they think it's 'cool'...and oh yeah, they also own an ipod, wear puma clothing and watch a bunch of reality shows. So forgive me for now stereotyping all mac users.

Well, perhaps Macs are less prone to viruses, but somehow, I think not less prone to hackers stealing your personal information online.

I just got a notice from the Credit card company that someone had run up a $10,000 bill on it. So they cancelled the credit card.

Thing is I had the Credit Card in my physical poseession at all times.

I didn't throw any receipts in the garbage.

But I do remember making a payment online once.

So they must have either hacked into the company's server or my computer, which is a Mac.

I don't know how else they would have gotten the information including the three digit code on the back of the card.

The other thing I might add is, no matter which platform you use, it's very dicey I think, making payments online.

If you can make them on the phone, do that instead.

I've known others who paid their bills online only to have their computers hacked into, their information stolen and incredible sums run up their cards.

This post has been edited by .or?: 04 July 2009 - 12:00 PM

I like to assemble my own computer and therefore have always owned a PC.

The computer war was won long ago and it's a PC world but Mac does have a niche in the market.

.or?, on 04 July 2009 - 03:54 PM, said:

Look out for the cashier at the store, they will get your pin, sometimes make you double strike your card to get the number and other things.
I know two people that got it stolen that way, including my brothers girlfriend.

I'm somewhat interested in getting a MacBook Pro the next time I get a new computer.

I don't look at it as a Mac purchase, but a universal one.

I've installed Windows on an Intel Mac, and it works very well and fast.

So with a MacIntel,  you can put Windows, OS X, Linux, Sun Solaris, and probably something else too.

That's like the holy grail of computing...one size fits all, what many people had dreamed of for 20 years or so.

So, it'd be nice to spend roughtly $1000, and get 5 or six computers/operatin systems on one tiny, yet fairly powerful laptop.
That saves a lot of money and physical space on your desk.

This post has been edited by .or?: 04 July 2009 - 12:14 PM

Thing is, GB, what's making all these platform wars obsolete is the handhelds.

Thats where all the money is and where it's being made these days.

That's where the real hitech wars are being fought now.

Gaming too, since a lot of games can be played on them.

Somehow, I don't think most computer makers are profitable anymore.

Thats why the action is elsewhere now.

This post has been edited by .or?: 04 July 2009 - 12:20 PM

.or?, on 04 July 2009 - 01:19 PM, said:

I couldn't disagree more.

Goat Boy©, on 04 July 2009 - 02:55 PM, said:

Goat Boy, if a computer can run 5 or 6 Operating systems simultaneously, I don't care what make or brand it is.

If Acer or Dell came out with a computer just like the Mac, that could do that, I'd go fer it instead of an Apple.

Really, I'm surprised that Microsoft or the clone makers haven't come out with an Operating system which allows you to run multiple operating systems like Apple has.

so, its not about running any single OS anymore, but multiple ones.

So if someone hands me a copy of FrameMaker for Sun OS, and I can load it up on a PC or Mac effortlessly, I'd say that's awesome, because it saves me from buying an overpriced Sun workstation.

The whole key is ta save money, space and aim for an all-in-one wonder machine so that you don't have to buy too many computers/workstations. And an Apple Notebook costs only about $1000. So the more portable, extensible and powerful, the better.

Plus, there's a lot of very good older software I bought a long time ago, that I don't want to throw out. Some of it is for Windows 98. And frankly, it's excellent. Stuff like Premiere 6.5 for Windows--which as far as PC video editors go, is so good for pumping out YouTube size videos, that I don't know why anyone'd need to buy another one for that platform. So I don't want to throw it away or it to become obsolete cuz it can't run on Vista or Windows 7. As far as I can see, the Apple is the only machine which can run multiple versions of Windows, so that you can have the best of both worlds, the old and the new on one desktop.

This post has been edited by .or?: 04 July 2009 - 04:49 PM

.or?, on 04 July 2009 - 05:41 PM, said:

Interestingly enough, what I quoted was about the supposed demise of home computers, lack of profitability in them, and the gaming industry moving to handhelds.

Computing is not moving away from the desk. When a government worker walks into the office, they don't fire up their blackberry and leave it on the centre of their desk. Gaming always has been predominantly console based, but the computer game industry is still alive and well. Computer hardware manufacturing is still very profitable, there is still a lot of money in computers.

Hand helds are convenient, but not for the near future. Home computers aren't going anywhere.

Goat Boy©, on 04 July 2009 - 07:58 PM, said:

If you go to Apple's recent website, there isn't even one desktop on the splash page.


Apple

Apple's hidden them such that even in the hardware section, there's just a couple of obscure tiny icons there.

Notebooks still make a profit them so they still have a presence there.

I guess they figgered they lost the computer wars against Microsoft, and now it's onto different territory.

So their iPhones and Notebooks must be where Apple is making its profits now.

.or?, on 05 July 2009 - 08:58 AM, said:

Ryanissimo, on 04 July 2009 - 01:01 PM, said:

Goat Boy's just addicted to brands.

He'd make a good evangalist fer Microsoft and Bill Gates.

But it's not about brands anymore. 

It's the platforms.


They all run on Intel chips now anyways.

So if a client hands me files created in Windows 98, OS X, Linux, or Windows 7, the key is to be able to open it read it, and manipulate it.
That saves time, money and even maybe generates a profit.


Apple's jes' a brand, that's all. But if it happens to run 6 Operating system on one laptop, including Windows, then it's got my vote, but not my goat.

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.or?, on 05 July 2009 - 01:55 PM, said:

Goat Boy© is an advocate against branding.

.or?, on 05 July 2009 - 01:55 PM, said:

Goat Boy©'s dislike for Microsoft is equivalent to Goat Boy©'s dislike of Apple. Actually Apple is a little bit worse due to the almost religious aspect of it.

.or?, on 05 July 2009 - 01:55 PM, said:

Absolutely agree.

.or?, on 05 July 2009 - 01:55 PM, said:

Which is what makes Apple inferior.

.or?, on 05 July 2009 - 01:55 PM, said:

.or?, on 05 July 2009 - 01:55 PM, said:

That's true...

.or?, on 05 July 2009 - 01:55 PM, said:

But the only reason to run an apple OS is to use Apple software, so if nobody uses it then there is no point. All the exclusivity is ridiculous.

Goat Boy©, on 05 July 2009 - 02:54 PM, said:

...But you miss the point entirely, GB.


Because if you can work off of 6 operating systems on one desktop, without throwing away older software, which is every bit as good (or even better) than all the new crapola Adobe, Microsoft and others pump out, then that's a real money saver.

That's one of Apple'es key selling points.

Running multiple operating systems each, in about Native or native speed.

In my biz, that's a dream.

Just like there's nice software for Windows, the Good stuff fer Apple too. 

6 computers fer the price of 1, GB.

Think about it.

.or?, on 05 July 2009 - 03:11 PM, said:

Six different ways to fundamentally operate one computer. And the specialized stuff is still the same.

Goat Boy©, on 05 July 2009 - 03:38 PM, said:

...But they are fundamentally different, Goat Boy. And so are the applications. Some apps which can't be found on a Mac, canbe on Windows. And sometimes what isn't available on Windows is on Linux, Mac or Sun Solaris. 


actually, what I don't much of a distinction between are the handhelds. I mean really. I tried them out, and a Blackberry is very similar to a Samsung is very similar to an i-Phone. 

That's just an example of where the iPhone is just a brand. And all the others too, and where they've gotten the consumer to believe that they're all completely different, when this isn't the case.

So the less ya spend on one, while getting all of the features, the better. If that happens to be a Samsung or an LG, so be it.

But goin' back to the Wintel people. It appears that they got yer goat, Goat Boy!

.or?, on 05 July 2009 - 04:12 PM, said:

You're completely missing the point...

Try this: These days all cars run on petroleum. Now lets say somebody invents a car that runs on methane. MPG varies from the same to worse, emissions vary from the same to worse, the car has far fewer controls thus idiot proofing it more, however they charge 3X more for it. Also the company runs a strict parts & upgrading regime, current stocks of replacement parts and aftermarket upgrades will not work.
Because of the best marketing campaign in the history of business, this car sells to say 20% of the consumers, now all the service stations have to change to sell methane, and service these vehicles.

What exactly is the point of expending all of this energy to get nowhere? I just don't understand it.

.or?, on 05 July 2009 - 04:12 PM, said:

Are you just playing games here? Or are you back to trying to label me?

Sheesh, same old tired debate on this one.....

I've never owned a Mac but am buying an IMAC this Summer. I'll get the student discount (my daughter's in Grade 3) plus a rebate on an ipod touch.

Rather than give myself a headache over which is better, I suggest just getting a Mac at some point in your life and trying it.

Seriously, it's not like they're crap or anything, just different.

schmoozer, on 06 July 2009 - 09:22 AM, said:

I just can't understand why you would pay as much three times more to accomplish the same thing in a different way.

BIG MAC BABY!!!!

Goat Boy©, on 06 July 2009 - 01:17 PM, said:

I'll let you know when I've tried it for a while!!

The facial recognition thing for pics is pretty cool though?

schmoozer, on 06 July 2009 - 09:22 AM, said:

Yeah, that Goat Boy, he's so brainwashed by the Wintel makers, eh?

He's gotta start thinkin' outta the box, eh?

Like....he's jes' gotta think different! Get it, eh Goat Boy?!?

Here ya are, Goat Boy:







...why I bet yer smarter already, Goatie.

...best not ta be beholden ta the brand, I telll ya...

Blue Frost, on 04 July 2009 - 12:06 PM, said:

It's not the cashier. It's normally the owner. Cashiers don't have the intelligence to obtain cloned debit pads, dumbass.

Re: Operating multiple OSes in one computer - What people don't realize is that this kills your RAM. Also, running these OSes in Mac are by emulation, which is not necessarily a good thing.

Re: Pricing - Macs are expensive because the company makes the parts themselves rather than letting China do it. Other than that, both PC and Macs are functionally the same. The disadvantage is that North America has very little experience in mass assembly, so the computer components may in fact function worse than the ones manufactured in China (iPods, iPhones are living proof).

Re: Viruses - A lot of computer experts are jealous of Bill Gates (a criminal), who made money by marketing stuff that was never really his in the first place. This lead to many of them studying the Windows OS in high depth and trying to prove that Windows is junk (has always been). Not many care too much about Macs, so the Macs appear to be immune to windows viruses. However, it is definitely possible to engineer computer viruses specifically for Macs OSes.

Well, with those ignorants, I guess they wasted so much $$$ for nothing. Typical.

Big time Mac spike today. Somebody with lots of accounts? You notice diarmuds rep poll jump too?

GaiaChaos, on 06 July 2009 - 10:28 PM, said:

I thought that Apple did offshore a lot of its manufacturing to China. Use to be that all the high end stuff was made in California, including the parts.


Now it says made in China, maybe the iPhones too?

I think all those iPods, iPhones seem really cheap. Not great quality.

I bought the last of the G5s before they went out of production. Been pretty decent. But I would try not to pay more than $1,000 for any computer anymore, including an Apple. They seem to have gone downhill. Every company getting cheaper and worse. Dell use to be good too, but gotten cheap too.

This post has been edited by .or?: 06 July 2009 - 11:43 PM

.or?, on 04 July 2009 - 12:54 PM, said:

My auntie and cousins said that its harder to get a virus using mac, but i think it all depends on what sites you visit.
Also next time when you want to purchase something from the internet buy a mastercard gift card thats what i use it works and its safe.

I have owned lots of both, about 40 laptops in the last 3 years, just got another one today to replace the used one I bought 2 weeks ago. I just cant shell out 1500 for a used macbook pro with 128 graphics when i just got a IBM T61p 15.4 (1920 x 1200 WUXGA with 256 dedicated graphics, t7700 2.4 Ghz core 2 duo, 160 Gb 7200rpm HD, dvd burner, 2 Gb ram and a door to door warrenty good till summer 2011 for 750 bucks in perfect like new condition xp pro.

And so it begins.....

Times like these your really miss the movie narrator guy.

I didn't have great luck with an AMD chipped laptop.

i heard they heat up faster.