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Government pushing for more support from the people after the elections. Next they will probably do a mass stoning of adulterous women and a mass patting on the back of adulterous men.

This post has been edited by AA Lavey: 04 July 2009 - 10:22 AM

Helping to support the auto industry of gold ole' US of A too.

Well, I have to say, they sure know how to deal with drug pushers.

Too bad the US and Canada won't do the same thing. We'd have a lot less problems with drugs.

The Old medic, on 04 July 2009 - 11:41 AM, said:

If that was the case they wouldnt have 20 to hang

The Old medic, on 04 July 2009 - 10:41 AM, said:

humm, so there is something we share in common old one

let me say I dont consider Mary wants to as a drug persay

watcher, on 04 July 2009 - 11:44 AM, said:

I'd agree so long as the definition of drug is a little bit broad.

Marijuana is no more of a drug than alcohol or tobacco.

Goat Boy©, on 04 July 2009 - 02:48 PM, said:

I don't partake in any of those but I agree totally.
As for America, we was built on Hemp and Maharajah, whats the real issue with it

Blue Frost, on 04 July 2009 - 01:12 PM, said:

I don't smoke it either, but I don't like what they have to go through.

Actually, I would like to see most drugs legalized, but regulated.

I would like to see the death penalty for anyone that sells or give drugs to a minor, or to a person that is mentally incapable of making a decision to use drugs. I would like to see then have to file all causes of appeal within 30 days of conviction, and all appeals to be completed within one year. Then, if they lose, knock those jerks off within 2 weeks after their last appeal.

I would like to see the government tax the hell out of marijuanna, heroin, meth, and most other drugs. I would like to see a penalty of forfeiture of the vehicle being driven and 2 years in jail for driving under the influence (1st offense), and life w/o parole for any further offenses (and that includes alcohol).

Parents that use drugs and do not adequately take care of their children, loss of the kids permanently. Put the kids up for adoption, and sterilize the parents (both males and females). If they want to use drugs, fine. Just don't use and screw up kids too. (No, I wouldn't take the kids for casual use, only where the kids are being neglected so the parents can use more.)

No adulterated drugs, no playing games as nd substituting baking soda or whatever, pure drugs at the appropriate doseages, all regulated and taxed by big brother.

GB the pot nowadays is twice as strong as it was ten years ago. With most BC bud being hydroponic the thc level just keeps going up. The relativly harmless Cambodian or red hair that gave way to skunk would be a joke to todays smoker.

Its not a harmless drug with these levels of thc. It negative affects are much more profound at these thc levels.

Not to mention that if a person has any unreliying mental condition such as schizophrenia or bi-polar a dose of thc this strong can bring it to the surface. It does not go away, once its out its hear to stay!

Harmless my a**! The people who tell people it is should be sent away!

North Delta, on 04 July 2009 - 11:12 PM, said:

When was the last time you heard of an accident where the driver was stoned?
When was the last time you heard of a pothead beating his wife?
When was the last time you saw stoners beating each other up in downtown Vancouver?

The negative social impacts of alcohol are far greater than that of marijuana.

Goat Boy©, on 04 July 2009 - 05:24 PM, said:

Yeah they got through a lot and some are in prison for life for smoking something that's less dangerous than Alcohol. As I said before Americas founding fathers was stoners. Well sort of.

The Old medic, on 04 July 2009 - 05:42 PM, said:

I wish some of the common pharmaceuticals would be available at the counter like some antibiotics.

Well GB funny story. Iwas riding home with a guy that used to work with me on the Canadaline. We were working on Grant McConagie(?)way near the airport.

The guy used to smoke everyday on the way in,lunch and on the way home. We're sitting at the lights one day waiting to cross to a gas station and he fires one up. I say "man how can you smoke so much of that sh*t?" He says it dosn't affect him. We cross the street and pull up to the pump, he tells the guy to put in 15bucks, the guy says ok and puts the nozzle in the tank and starts the pump then he comes up to the window and asks if we need anything else? Buddy blows pot smoke in his face and says no! Hands over the money, starts the van and drives away.

One problem, the nozzel was srill in the van, he tore it right off the pump! Then he panics and tries to get away driving like an idiot in circles in the crowded gas station with the attendant chasing him. He finally found away out and booted it down the road! Panicing full on!

After a click or so I said" No pot has no effect on you! Look at all the other people driving around with nozzels hanging out of their cars!"

Goat I know way way way to many people that smoke pot and do asinine things to say its not harmfull! That is pure bullsh*t!

North Delta, lots of people drive off with the nozzle still in their car that don't use anything.

And pot does not cause schizophrenia to "come out". It might, in some very, very rare case cause a persons depression to get worse, but it would not cause a person to ever go into the manic phase of bi-polar. Quite the opposite in fact, it would tend to bring a person OUT of the manic phase.

You obviously believe all the propaganda that the cops put out about drugs.

I've been a volunteer counselor in drug treatment programs for years, and I can tell you that most of the propaganda is just so much bull manure. Now some drugs do indeed have the potential to cause great harm. LSD and the other hallucinogenics, especially if taken unawares, can cause underlying mental disorders to become much worse (but they don't cause permanent mental illness, unless used to extreme levels); some drugs can cause significant violent reactions, especially PCP and similar drugs; and some can lead to rape and other crimes of violence against others. I would not want to see those drugs available to the public.

But grass, morphine, heroin, etc. would not be a major problem. Making them legal would empty the prisons, there would be no need to commit crimes to feed a habit so the crime rate would come way down and if driving under the influence was properly treated, there would be a LOT less problems for society.

And I have indeed seen fatal accidents with people on grass, speed, heroin, etc. Anything that can affect your perceptions, can lead to accidents. That's why I say, put really harsh penalties on DUI.

In Germany, when I lived there in the early 60's, if you were caught driving drunk, 1st offense, the vehicle you were driving was impounded for 30 days, at your expense and you spent 30 days in jail. 2nd offense, the vehicle was impounded for one year, and you spent a year in jail. 3rd offense, the vehicle was confiscated, and you spent 5 years in prison. It didn't matter if the vehicle was a rented car, belonged to your mother, whatever. It was impounded or confiscated. And YOU paid the costs involved. If it was a rental car, and it was confiscated, you owed the rental car company the price of a car.

Trust me, people were very reluctant to loan a car to anyone that drank. Europe is where the whole "designated driver" movement began, and they follow it pretty rigidly. In some countries, even having one beer is considered to be "driving while impaired", and it is treated as if you were falling down drunk.

That's the way it SHOULD be. Driving impaired is effectively attempted manslaughter, and it's about time our societies recognized it as such.


As to the person that wants antibiotics made over-the counter. They are MUCH more dangerous to use that most narcotics and street drugs are. Many people are allergic to some antibiotics; people try to use them for viral diseases (they have no effect on viruses at all), and they would just make the problem of ineffective antibiotics a LOT worse than it already is. There are way too many antibiotics being prescribed as it is, making them OTC would just make that problem a LOT worse.

I must be getting old. I AGREE with old medic - the War on Drugs (forty years old) has been an abject failure. Legalize and tax.

AA Lavey, on 04 July 2009 - 11:42 AM, said:

Quite logical

Well Old medic I didn't see any other cars with nozzels sticking out of them that day, just us with the stoned driver. The mistake wasn't the worst thing, it was the bizzare panic behavior when he was trying to get away!

The pot today isn't the same sh*t you smoked in Nam' The thc in that was about 6-8% now its way over 20!

Not to mention its not grown in a field but in a basement with all kinds of chemicals added to make it grow, kill bugs.

You say I buy into the cops bull? Whose bull are you buying the hippies?

Listen man, Booze is bad, it f's people lives bad. Pot is atleast on the same level. But because its so easy for kids to get its way more destructive to them in their most important years.

How many people do we all know that did very well in high school, started in with the pot and either scraped by or dropped out? I knew lots.

North Delta, on 05 July 2009 - 12:36 PM, said:

To further on that, the margins on Pot make it very worthwhile to deal. The high school drug dealers once out of their market, move on to bigger and badder things.

In a sense, growing gangsters.

If Marijuana deserves to be banned, thus so does alcohol. However as both are essentially un-bannable, they have to be controlled. Prohibition proves the failure of banning.

Alcohol is just as easy, if not easier for kids to get as pot is. I bought booze for the first time myself when I was 15, prior to that always knew somebody.

North Delta, I deal with reality, not with stories.

If you watch virtually any reality show, you would have seen cases of people driving off with the nozzle in their car.

Panic reactions, they happen every damn day. You just want us all to think that it would ONLY happen with a "pot head". Lot's of people would panic if the drove off with the nozzle in their car. Look at how many people freak out if they see the flashing blue lights behind their car.

Yes, pot is a lot more potent than it used to be. It is still not as harmful as tobacco, or as harmful as booze can be. That's exactly why you leagalize it, so you can control what's in it. And keep it away from kids, etc. Make the penalties for supplying kids really harsh, and enforce those penalties. The same with driving under the influence, make the penalties hars and actually impose them.

Of course, you don't bother to read what I actually wrote, or you would never accuse me of "listening to the hippies". First of all, hippies are long gone; 2nd I have no love for hippies at all; 3rd, their philosophy is diametrically opposed to mine and 4th, there is no possible way that any hippie would be advocating that the government license and control the distribution of drugs.

It is hysterical fools like you that got what had been perfectly legal drugs banned by Federal law (in both the US and in Canada). Self righteous prigs, that think they are so superior to those "weak little people". Prior to 1917 (in the USA) you could walk into any pharmacy and purchase heroin, cocaine, marijuanna, morphine, opium and just about any other known drug over the counter. The rate of addiction was MUCH lower than it is today. The drugs were purified, and had no adulterating chemicals in them.

I would much rather see an addict be able to get a perfectly legal fix, and be self suppporting, than I would see that same addict have to steal, rob others, burglarize homes, etc. in order to support a habit. Or have to turn tricks in order to get a fix.

I would much rather see the prisons emptied of their drug users, instead of having to support all of those people at the taxpayers expense, as well as making certain that they can never get a decent job again for the rest of their lives. You go out and try to get a decent job, or enter ANY profession, with a prison record.

Our whole treatment of narcotics and other drugs is simply silly. It is based on the same "morality" as got the USA into prohibition. The ONLY results of prohibition of alcohol was to make crime organized and powerful, and to get a lot of people that had never drunk to start drinking regulalry because it was "the forbidden fruit".

And the "prohibition of drugs" has accomplished exactly the same thing. It has had absolutely NO benefits to society whatsoever.

The Old medic, on 05 July 2009 - 02:05 PM, said:

Hippies are still here. They just change their name every 10 years to be non-conformists. Hippies-Yuppies-Grungers-Emo.....all the same.

The Old medic, on 05 July 2009 - 02:05 PM, said:

The idea of Cocaine or Heroin, or something worse like GHB being legal makes me shiver. I can appease and empathize with the argument, but most decidedly not comfortable with it.

So the pot played no role in buddy driving away with the nozzle in his tank medic? Not buying that. I was there.

One of the main problems I have with pot is that the real pot heads have no problem smoking the sh*t and doing jobs, driving or anything most of us that drink wouldn't even consider. Alcohol shows on a person pretty quickly, usually 2-3 drinks on most. Pot ,with the help of visine is much harder to pick up on.

Old medic how is someone that got a perfectly legal "fix" be self supporting? Have you ever seen anyone thats just blasted blow, heroin or meth into their arm??? Its not like their going to do that and go to work! No their going to do the Hastings dance for about a half hour unless their so paraniod that they're hiding in a bush.

Or do you mean its just for the weekend coke and heroin users? You must know the sh*ts highly addictive by now, you can't just turn it off and go be productive for five days. Unfreakin'real.

.or?, on 04 July 2009 - 09:01 AM, said:

The gallows of islam were busy last week

AA Lavey, on 04 July 2009 - 11:22 AM, said:

Approving a man's adultery would absolutely be in accordance with islamic law. Verse 4:24 of the KKKoran allows men to have sex with women who are not their wives (i.e., "right hand possessions", or captives).

In other words, their allah guy says that rape is OK.