can someone tell me why the government isn't going to bail out IT workers? Nortel has cut 50,000 jobs. many companies have outsourced their IT to india. many IT workers are out of work.

so why do auto workers and forestry workers get special treatment with a bailout?

where is the bailout for IT workers?

why the hypocrisy?

because there is no such thing as high tech in canada, it's a big farm country, haven't we learned that already? while carpenters and constructure workers, trades people make more than engineers, you get the idea, you have to be stupid to make a good living.

i could have worked for nortel somehow i knew i would get laid off so i didn't even bother when a few friends of mine got hired together all sudden, i knew the laying off weren't too far.

This post has been edited by cynicalgirl: Dec 4 2008, 08:59 AM

Jake, good point.

It isn't hypocrisy. The sqeaky wheel gets the grease. Auto workers and forestry workers are organized via a union, having hired representatives to work in their favour. Not so for the majority of the IT sector. Those IT workers need to create their own jobs and not expect work to be handed to them. I was an IT person downsized during the dot com crash and I am now very happy I was, making a lot more dough on my own. Screw unions.

This post has been edited by macchiavelli: Dec 4 2008, 06:59 PM

I don't believe in bailing out companys. Instead of bailouts I believe in re-training the workers if necessary.

The answer is that:

- CAW Union bosses & other union bosses for that matter want to keep their cushy positions & union dues flowing in (I never heard of an IT union?)

- Many blue collar workers do not want to go back to school or re-train

- Most IT & other white collar jobs required continuous learning, so it comes with the territory

What we need to do is stop thinking blue & white collar & realize that we are competing against the rest of the world.

We need to constantly conduct research & innovate.

We need to constantly build a better mouse trap.

We need to create Competitive Advantages.

In today's every changing & dynamic market, we need to stay with the times or become obsolete quickly.

This post has been edited by StraightTalk: Dec 4 2008, 11:10 PM

Sure we may outsource customer support & especially live chat support to India & China but still, for the real power programming it is not farmed out (due to less quality control).

We have EA Canada, Microsoft opened an office in Richmond this year, Vivendi bought Radical Entertainment a few years back, RIM (famous for the Blackberry PDA), we have Ballard Power for fuel cell technology etc.

And many gamers will recognize Bioware (started in Canada but bought by EA) -- producing games like The Force Unleashed.

Intuit is a big software producer most notably recognized for Quickbooks. AccPac is also a Canadian company.

Nortel Networks...

The list goes on.

http://list.canadianbusiness.com/rankings/...;d1=d&sc1=3

This post has been edited by StraightTalk: Dec 4 2008, 11:20 PM

The problem is that many people do not want to be re-trained or simply cannot be. LOL

All I now is that I'm a chef who will never be out of work. In fact, things are getting better and better for chefs. So much opportunity and wages are making dramatical increases. In 5 years I'll start my own restauarant empire. Look out earls and cactus here I come.

Good for you Giggie.

I am sure you would give Feenie a run for the money.

Then again I am sure Ramsay would kick your a$$ verbally.

Anyway, do you agree with the bailout of GM & Ford?

Can you at least comment on that?

LOL

This post has been edited by StraightTalk: Dec 5 2008, 12:06 AM

That's life in the fast lane. No pun intended

a big farm country?



As with other developed nations, the Canadian economy is dominated by the service industry, which employs about three quarters of Canadians.[4] Canada is unusual among developed countries in the importance of the primary sector, with the logging and oil industries being two of Canada's most important. Canada also has a sizable manufacturing sector, centred in Central Canada, with the automobile industry especially important.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Canada

cause there is still a demand and they are no huge companies that are as badly affected

Just teasing, like " More Cows than people" joke.

But seriously it's a very small market and hard to find jobs.

Right on, I would probably apply those place if I were to move to Vancouver, but I don't like this city already just by the way people postinng here, western canada thumb down. I knew people who worked for EA and RIM, and told me they didn't enjoy working there, I would work for RIM - got interview before, then it meant that I had to move to some shitty little town in middle of nowhere. not my thing. I told my friend the same thing when he got a job offer from them. Sure they do pay well, but really, depends on what's more important in your life.

This post has been edited by cynicalgirl: Dec 5 2008, 11:29 AM

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