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Bill C51 Canadian Rights And Freedoms Are At Risk, Bill proposes significant changes to the current Food and Drugs Act
  qikiprana
post Apr 29 2008, 10:41 AM
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Canadian Rights And Freedoms Are At Risk
An Important Notice Regarding Bill C-51

On April 8th, 2008, the Canadian Minister of Health introduced Bill C-51 into the House of Commons. This Bill proposes significant changes to the current Food and Drugs Act that will have wide-ranging negative implications for Canadians.



Bill C-51 Will:

Bill C-51 will:

· Remove democratic oversight, bypassing elected officials to vote in laws and allow bureaucrats to adopt laws from other countries without our consent.

· Remove 70% of Natural Health Products from Canadians and many others will be available by prescription only.

· Restrict research and development of safe natural alternatives in favor of high risk drugs.

· Punish Canadians with little or no opportunity for protection or recourse for simply speaking about or giving a natural product without the approval of government. More than 70% of people in Canada use a Natural Health Product. The new law goes so far as to warrant action against a person who would give another person an “unapproved” amount of garlic on the recommendation that it would improve that person’s health.



Proposed New Enforcement Powers:

Proposed New Enforcement Powers:

· Inspectors will enter private property without a warrant

· Inspectors will take your property at their discretion

· Inspectors will dispose of your property at will

· Inspectors will not reimburse you for your losses

· Inspectors will seize your bank accounts

· Inspectors will charge owners shipping and storage charges for seized property

· Inspectors will be empowered to store your property indefinitely

· Inspectors will levy fines of up to $5,000,000.00 and/or seek 2 years in jail per incident



With your assets and money under their control will you be able to defend yourself in Court?



Can you trust government with this new law and enforcement power?

Would our government really ever turn this law against us? Read the following account.

Example



In 2003 Health Canada launched an attack on a group of mentally ill patients and the company who supported them naturally. They seized shipments of a safe natural therapy required by the patients and stormed the support center with 17 armed officers and agents. The company (Truehope) reported that they lost contact with more than 300 of their Canadian participants. The Canadian Mental Health Association told of suicides as a result of government action.



Health Canada then charged the not for profit company, burdening them with heavy legal costs. Truehope was found innocent by necessity and instructed by the judge to continue under legal and moral responsibility. Although the agents admitted knowing they were injuring people through their actions, they stated under oath they care only about policy and directive. And what happened to the more than 300 mentally ill Canadians that became unreachable? In the months and years following, reports of hospitalizations and suicides during the seizures have surfaced. No Health Canada agent has ever been charged.

Here's what you can do to protect your rights:

Educate Yourself


· Go to http://www.stopc51.com/

· Read a legal discussion on Bill C-51

· Read bill C-51 on www.parl.gc.ca Tell others a

· Talk to your local Press

· Contact your local MP Click Here

· Ask the leaders in your community to get involved

· Contact your MLA

· Tell your Friends






Print or Photocopy this fact sheet and hand it out in your neighbourhood.



Attend our rally at the Calgary Federal Court on May 9th 2008. Call 1-888-878-3467 for Details




Federal Court Rally Information
Where: 635 8 Ave SW, Calgary, AB, Canada Federal Court (View In Google Maps)
When: 11:45 AM Friday May 9th





This is a peaceful rally, after which a hearing will be held asking the judge to place restraints on our government’s


ability to seize property without a warrant. Taking place on the 4th floor at 1:00pm.



Forward this email to all of your concerned friends, family and community leaders.





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  Concerned Canadian
post Apr 29 2008, 12:26 PM
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Thank you for posting this, it's something extremely important that Canadians should make themselves aware of.
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  guest
post Apr 29 2008, 01:30 PM
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Wow, an industry where 70% of the products are determined as not fit for sale is complaining that they are going to be regulated? What a shock. If I was hocking unfit wares I guess I'd complain too
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TruthSeeker
post Apr 29 2008, 01:35 PM
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Can someone explain in layman terms how we are going to get affected by this? Attention: REGISTER / LOGIN to view the image!
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  guest
post Apr 29 2008, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (TruthSeeker @ Apr 29 2008, 01:35 PM) *
Can someone explain in layman terms how we are going to get affected by this? Attention: REGISTER / LOGIN to view the image!


As best as I can tell, the government is going to now have the ability to clamp down on people selling dangerous items masked as harmless herbs. Depending on your view of the government, this will either be used responsibly, or they will start busting children for giving their friends garlic in the start of the new Nazi regime.
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  Concerned Canadian
post Apr 29 2008, 01:44 PM
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Do a little research on Codex Alimentarius, a look at this video at 5 min & 40 seconds in will give you some very good information http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-2_rEAWI_4 . In so far as Bill C-51 virtually all Food Supplements, Vitamins, any kind of Health Benefiting Product (Vitamins, Herbs, Protien / Amino Acid Powders, etc...) will not be allowed to be sold. So if for some reason your diet is deficient in some way you will be able to merely go to London Drugs or a Health Food Store and just pick up some vitamins to ensure you get what you need to lead a healthy life.
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  Concerned Canadian
post Apr 29 2008, 02:04 PM
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Soon your only choice will be genetically engineered nutritionally deficient food being your only choice....
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  Concerned Canadian
post Apr 29 2008, 02:05 PM
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Wake up the writing is on the wall....
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  guest
post Apr 29 2008, 02:42 PM
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look out, the Nazis are coming!!!
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  Concerned Canadian
post Apr 29 2008, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE (guest @ Apr 29 2008, 02:42 PM) *
look out, the Nazis are coming!!!


Metaphorically speaking YES they may well be. And keep in mind there is more then one way to wage a war on a populace & it doesn't always have to be done with bullets & bombs!
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  HK immigrant boy
post Apr 29 2008, 11:11 PM
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You people show your true colors now, huh?
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  kurt klingbeil
post May 1 2008, 03:46 PM
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Petition to Stop Bill C-51

sign if you ~~dare~~
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  Rick
post May 1 2008, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE (guest @ Apr 29 2008, 01:30 PM) *
Wow, an industry where 70% of the products are determined as not fit for sale is complaining that they are going to be regulated? What a shock. If I was hocking unfit wares I guess I'd complain too



Listen Dork - it's retards like you who don't know what the hell is really going on ! Unfit wares ? try the pharmaceutical industry: statin drugs like Lipitor, or Vioxx, or a host of other drugs that have a wealth of side effects.

Morons like you don't know ( to borrow a hot-rod building phrase..) if your ass is punched, bored or stroked.. or as one wag put it - split with an axe !! get a #@$*&^% grip Toad !!
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  Concerned Canadian
post May 2 2008, 07:45 AM
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This video strongly pertains to Bill C-51, it's a long video but provides important background information as to why we should oppose Bill C-51

http://video.google.com/videosearch?sitese...ex+alimentarius
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  Concerned Canadian
post May 2 2008, 08:25 AM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=74...mKJDCqAPssdm3AQ
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  guest
post May 2 2008, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE (Rick @ May 1 2008, 04:47 PM) *
Listen Dork - it's retards like you who don't know what the hell is really going on ! Unfit wares ? try the pharmaceutical industry: statin drugs like Lipitor, or Vioxx, or a host of other drugs that have a wealth of side effects.

Morons like you don't know ( to borrow a hot-rod building phrase..) if your ass is punched, bored or stroked.. or as one wag put it - split with an axe !! get a #@$*&^% grip Toad !!


At the bare minimum, at least the side effects are known, and of course this ignores the reams of drugs that never make it to market because they are dangerous. None of this is applied to the "natural" market, which is idiotic. You're seriously going to complain about dangerous products but then complain about having regulation on another market that's full of crooks and charlatans? Hypocritical much?
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  Concerned Canadian
post May 2 2008, 10:23 AM
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TTT
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  Concerned Canadian
post May 2 2008, 01:04 PM
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TTT
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  guest
post May 2 2008, 01:06 PM
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no one cares, stop spamming the board
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  Concerned Canadian
post May 2 2008, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE (guest @ May 2 2008, 01:06 PM) *
no one cares, stop spamming the board


Is that what you'll be saying when you start suffer from malnutrition because your food has been so overly processed? What about when your meat & dairy product has been so heavily treated with recumbinent bovine growth & or antibiotics and you start to suffer from immune related diseases will you be the first to line up for the drugs sold by the big corporations that instigated Bill C-51? Not to mention Codex Almentrius.
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  squeaky voice of reason
post May 2 2008, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (Concerned Canadian @ May 2 2008, 03:23 PM) *
Is that what you'll be saying when you start suffer from malnutrition because your food has been so overly processed? What about when your meat & dairy product has been so heavily treated with recumbinent bovine growth & or antibiotics and you start to suffer from immune related diseases will you be the first to line up for the drugs sold by the big corporations that instigated Bill C-51? Not to mention Codex Almentrius.


Tell ya what, I will continue to eat my anitbiotic and hormone addled meat and get my vacinations and you can take a trip to Africa and see how your herbal remedies and homeopathic water protect you from AIDs and malaria. Then we can have a conversation about how science and technology is out to get you, over the freaking Internet!

Nevermind global warming, over population, peak oil or the world food crisis, society will come crumbling down because the government is intstituting legislation that will require companies to have scientific proof of the effecacy of the products they sell.

Where can I sign a petition against %$@#!tards who are against bill C-51?
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  mike_sawchuk@hotmail.com
post May 5 2008, 08:33 AM
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Under CURRENT NHPD regulations, all natural health products must be reviewed by and either approved or denied, by their scientists and doctors. Upon submission for a product license, a wealth of scientific studies and trials must also be provided. Without this info the product will be denied a license. Also, any and all adverse effects MUST be reported to Health Canada. The NHPD can take action against companies selling products that do not have a product license, or, because of the current backlog in processing these licenses, at least have a submission in queue.

So now I'm wondering why there is even a Bill C-51. It's redundant as far as controlling and policing natural health products. You have to wonder about the motivation and intent behind bill C-51.

So as far as efficacy, this bill appears to do little more than protect the financial interests of big pharma.

Sorry to "Guest" and others for your lack of knowledge regarding this topic. "A wise man speaks because he has something to say, fools speak to say something"
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  guest
post May 5 2008, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE (mike_sawchuk@hotmail.com @ May 5 2008, 08:33 AM) *
Under CURRENT NHPD regulations, all natural health products must be reviewed by and either approved or denied, by their scientists and doctors. Upon submission for a product license, a wealth of scientific studies and trials must also be provided. Without this info the product will be denied a license. Also, any and all adverse effects MUST be reported to Health Canada. The NHPD can take action against companies selling products that do not have a product license, or, because of the current backlog in processing these licenses, at least have a submission in queue.

So now I'm wondering why there is even a Bill C-51. It's redundant as far as controlling and policing natural health products. You have to wonder about the motivation and intent behind bill C-51.

So as far as efficacy, this bill appears to do little more than protect the financial interests of big pharma.

Sorry to "Guest" and others for your lack of knowledge regarding this topic. "A wise man speaks because he has something to say, fools speak to say something"


What the bill does is actually give the government the ability to excercise it's judgement in order to stop people who are using the underground market to sell dangerous items under the various loopholes currently in Canadian law.
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  mike_sawchuk@hotmail.com
post May 5 2008, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE (guest @ May 5 2008, 08:36 AM) *
What the bill does is actually give the government the ability to excercise it's judgement in order to stop people who are using the underground market to sell dangerous items under the various loopholes currently in Canadian law.


I agree, but I believe the NHPD should actually try using they're current enforcement policies, which they are not, before deciding that we need more laws. If they can't even enforce current regulations, what difference will this bill really make, other than provide a loophole for abuse?

Again, you have to wonder the motivation behind the bill, when they cannot even say if the current enforcement policies work or not, because they haven't even tried.
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  guest
post May 5 2008, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE (mike_sawchuk@hotmail.com @ May 5 2008, 09:14 AM) *
I agree, but I believe the NHPD should actually try using they're current enforcement policies, which they are not, before deciding that we need more laws. If they can't even enforce current regulations, what difference will this bill really make, other than provide a loophole for abuse?

Again, you have to wonder the motivation behind the bill, when they cannot even say if the current enforcement policies work or not, because they haven't even tried.


Under the current policies, the government can only really go after those people that go through the system. If someone simply doesn't bother to register and doesn't claim all the money they make on the underground market, currently the government has very limited power to go after them. This helps go after those people
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  brenton raby
post May 5 2008, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (squeaky voice of reason @ May 2 2008, 06:58 PM) *
Tell ya what, I will continue to eat my anitbiotic and hormone addled meat and get my vacinations and you can take a trip to Africa and see how your herbal remedies and homeopathic water protect you from AIDs and malaria. Then we can have a conversation about how science and technology is out to get you, over the freaking Internet!

Nevermind global warming, over population, peak oil or the world food crisis, society will come crumbling down because the government is intstituting legislation that will require companies to have scientific proof of the effecacy of the products they sell.

Where can I sign a petition against %$@#!tards who are against bill C-51?

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  brenton raby
post May 5 2008, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (squeaky voice of reason @ May 2 2008, 06:58 PM) *
Tell ya what, I will continue to eat my anitbiotic and hormone addled meat and get my vacinations and you can take a trip to Africa and see how your herbal remedies and homeopathic water protect you from AIDs and malaria. Then we can have a conversation about how science and technology is out to get you, over the freaking Internet!

Nevermind global warming, over population, peak oil or the world food crisis, society will come crumbling down because the government is intstituting legislation that will require companies to have scientific proof of the effecacy of the products they sell.

Where can I sign a petition against %$@#!tards who are against bill C-51?

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  brenton raby
post May 5 2008, 09:29 PM
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Please keep it real.
There are no vaccines or avoidences for either HIV or malaria. In fact despite claims there are no cures for either. Avoiding exposure by adopting wholeistic or natural prodicals are the best way to avoid exposure to these devestaiting diseases.T he reality is that these two diseases are most prevelant in Africa, the new fronteir in Pharma marketing.Has anyone considered that even "natural" products are being used by newly emerging Pharma business models. What a way to eliminate competition. Regulate the industry to the point that all grassroot pratictioners are not only controlled, but persecuted and destroyed. Business and money to effect social change is really a way of making more money for larger companies that can navigate the regulatory ocean. They count on this as a way of exclusion. Remember that marijuana is a medicine. The best plan is not to legalize but to decrimilize, maintaing accessiablility for all. I guess I am a free marketer. Stockwell Day and Stephen Harper have nothing to offer me in regards to health. They are a minority government acting as if the represent any legitimate democratic authority. They do not.
Keep on eating the red meat, you wont need any vaccinations you will be receiving the all trough your meat, wanted or not. and by thr way regulated for profit!
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Gunta
post May 5 2008, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE (Rick @ May 1 2008, 04:47 PM) *
Listen Dork - it's retards like you who don't know what the hell is really going on ! Unfit wares ? try the pharmaceutical industry: statin drugs like Lipitor, or Vioxx, or a host of other drugs that have a wealth of side effects.

Morons like you don't know ( to borrow a hot-rod building phrase..) if your ass is punched, bored or stroked.. or as one wag put it - split with an axe !! get a #@$*&^% grip Toad !!



dude, loet him drink his kool aid. he won't survive the revolution.
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  guest
post May 6 2008, 07:00 AM
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QUOTE (Gunta @ May 5 2008, 09:35 PM) *
dude, loet him drink his kool aid. he won't survive the revolution.



haha you silly sheep, any revolution that would happen would be the end of you
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