Canadian people must pay a large amount of tax, which helps poor people.
I think that sucks. This makes many people lose their desire for working.
Less competetion, laziness, boring, no fun!

I think the US is more fun to live even though they do not guarantee your lives.

Any comments?

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Socialism is certainly criticized for its tendancy to lower the motivations of the populace... but then again, what specific type of motivation are you concerned about?&nbsp; The kind of motivation of competition that makes one want to destroy other humans so that they can arrive on top of the pile?<BR><BR>As a nation with the #8 economy but yet 0.5% of the population, I'd day we're doing pretty well for "unmotivated" people (excepting the special circumstances guys so dont crucify me for that last statement).<BR><BR>The US is fun?&nbsp; Well, the border is only an hour's drive away, and you'll welcome to try it there.<BR><BR>The US has some advantages for a small percentage of the population, but it comes at the cost of a huge number of others.&nbsp; To state that the US is the best place on earth, with the best system to boot, is to go well beyond Darwin to claim that "if someone can be exploited, they should be... regardless of need".<BR><BR>I know it's hard to see homelss drug addicts begging for money on Vancouver's downtown streets, but have a look at the number of homelss people in the wonderful magic-land of the United States.<BR><BR>What you see on TV about the US is only true for the people at the very top of society there.&nbsp; It is available to them only because so many people have so little.<BR><BR>I don't like the taxes here... but the sad fact is that your income tax in Canada does not provide services to people, it goes to pay for debt servicing.. usually to the US who then pays it to the bankers.&nbsp; The other taxes we pay here are actually not that much higher than in other nations, and I would much rather live in clean, safe Vancouver than in Detroit, wouldn't you?

Whatever Commie.

Ignoramus

Well said comrade

It has nothing to do with socjalism. We pay taxes because unionism, mean taxes eating monster
called enormous, uninized govenment. Doctors, nurses, policmen, ICBC etc. If you think that socjalism it is $500 welfare try to live on it. Good luck.

Laziness is definitely encouraged by socialism, but that's the way this country wants it, it's their way of keeping everyone in check. If you use their money they can control your life. Use welfare and you're life is in the hands of the government.

For a country as large as it is with such a small population...it is obvious that we are doing very poorly under the current system.

The only reason for our current wealth is thanks to natural resources and most recently, the low Canadian dollar, which is now on par with the U.S...so basically all we have is the high value of commodities that is propping our bloated government.

The stupidity of the system is that we give money to those who don't work...and they don't spend it on food, but on drugs and alcohol...and when they want food, they just go to the local food bank or shelters!!

So...essentially, hard working Canadians pay for the drug habit's of lazy Canadians.

Yea...were sooo smaaaart.

This man has said pretty much everything i was gonna say, thanks for saving me time educating idiots on the forum

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No, obviously not that smart.

Our wealth is largely the land mass that we have, which naturally translates into resources of some kind, and the fact that we have a sociopathic next door neighbor who scares away unwanted advances as long as we serve him up a slice of our pie. We also benefit from our history as a Brit colony and from the white benefits that brought us. (Where an oil-rich nation like Indonesia retains almost nothing of their autonomy and wealth). But you cannot discount the efforts of both individual Canadians as well as leaders (again in SOME aspects) in creating a nation that so many others want to be part of.

The government IS bloated, the high price of commodities DOES help us and taxes ARE unreasonably high, but then again, a quick comparrisson on any of those points to other nations around the world reveals that, comparitively, we have it pretty good.

Paying for the drug habits of the underclass is not a function limited to Canadian society, it is nearly universal. There are really only 3 ways to deal with the non-productive members of society: kill them outright Nazi-style, criminalize them intensely so that they are in jails and not on the streets, or find some way of supporting them that doesn't destroy life for everyone else. Now while our Canadian system is far from perfect, I would rather have it than the executions of Malaysia, the penal system costs of the US or, the only other option, complete Orwellian brainwashing like North Korea (although that nation produces quite a bit of opium). This is in addition to the fact that 75% of the homeless here in vancouver are committably mentally ill - and are that way because our mental hospital was shut down due to whining about cost and cruelty. They have serious problems, so when they get money, they self-medicate using street drugs while they SHOULD be in a mental care facility.

Hard working Canadians paying for the drug habits of others? Yes, but show me a nation where there is NOT true without hacing made other MASSIVE sacrifices in social humanitarianism.

But then again, if you think somewhere else is better, as a Canadian you have Freedom of Mobility included in your charter rights, so why don't you go to this paradise you know about?

There certainly are many idiots on this forum, but I doubt you'll be the one educating any of them.

Yeah life would be so better if you had a financial model like the states.

Had an accident? Hey just choose which of your fingers do you want to keep? All for the bargain price of your life savings!

Injured at work and can't work any longer? Screw you its darwinism in action baby!

Had a deprived abusive childhood, got kicked out by your parents? Tough luck, you don't happen to be in the rich brigade!

Socialism? What the hell? Why we would want to help out SOMEONE ELSE? Its mine, mine, mine....as gordon gecko said 'Greed is good'

We're on the same page.

I have to say as a foriegner I think vancouver is a great place. However the one thing I find incredibly hard to stomach is that someone made the decision to close down a mental facility and push these people out on the streets. What sickens me though is that whilst these people who could be treated for there ills are suffering and scraping by as best they can, trying to numb the pain with alcohol or drugs, people like these on the forum are whining about how much they give away in taxes to 'help' these people. Honestly people, take a look at your lives, yes you may have worked hard but you have a good life, appreciate it for what it is instead of whining about the small amount you have to give away.

good job just let michel moore do the thinking for you,

The thing that gets me is that these (obviously very young) whiny posters have benefitted FAR FAR more from the social systems in place here in Canada than any homeless person ever has. They post here, educated, clean, healthy, with a job future and safe complaining about how taxes go to pay for social systems?

The money could be spent better, obviously in more ways than one.

Canada is not a socialist country. Americans like to think so, but we are not. Having a government that cares for its people does not make you a socialist...

how american.... yes, communism is evil, Castro must be stopped.

can you explain america's position regarding china vs cuba?

First of all...you don't give them money! You give them other means of obtaining food, clothing and shelter, you don't give them the very thing that makes their situation the same or even worse...and that is money.

You give them food stamps, you subsidize their housing, you educate their children...but in no way or form do you give them money..this is ridiculous. If they want this money...they must earn it...but if they don't, then they must follow our rules on how they look after themselves.

The reason Vancouver has so many mentally ill homeless is because of the climate.

If your going to open mental hospitals, make sure the federal government and other provinces contribute their fair share since this is really a nationwide problem all clustering in Vancouver.

U.S. has turned into a shxthole and it continues on a downward spiral. there are only a few desireable cities remaining in what used to be a great country.

this is not due to low/high taxes, but this is due to an incompetent government and a society which has fallen for this incompetent government's agendas.

all said, there are many places around the world which are better to live in than north america. but then again, it all depends on what you're looking for in life.

No one on here is arguing against basic education, infrastructure maintenance, or all the other basic things which government SHOULD have the task of looking after...no, were arguing against excessive government involvement in society where it is not needed as a basic requirement to keep society functioning.

There is a difference my friend.

People take care of each other at a community level, not a federal level. This is what were arguing against.

Reminds me of the south park homeless epso

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