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Macy
post Oct 6 2008, 12:19 PM
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You still have TODAY to do it.  I knew who I was going to vote for.  I didn't hesitate, decided to beat the rush.  Better to vote than to allow undesirable to advance to the top.  When you don't vote, you allow other voters to guide your future.

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post Oct 6 2008, 01:15 PM
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post Oct 6 2008, 01:51 PM
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Vote for CONSERVATIVES

Here's their track record so far for the economy:


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StraightTalk
post Oct 6 2008, 01:51 PM
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THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING

Major Federal Tax Relief for Business - CONSERVATIVES Track Record & Forecast:

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Year of entry into force Measures
2006 Elimination of the capital tax
Introduction of the Apprenticeship Job Creation Tax Credit

2007 Increase in the eligible income threshold for the small business tax rate
Alignment of capital cost allowance rates with useful life
Introduction of the temporary incentive for investment in manufacturing and processing machinery and equipment

2008 Elimination of the corporate surtax
Reduction of the general corporate income tax rate from 21 to 19.5 per cent
Reduction of the small business tax rate from 12 to 11 per cent

2009 Reduction of the general corporate income tax rate to 19 per cent

2010 Reduction of the general corporate income tax rate to 18 per cent

2011 Reduction of the general corporate income tax rate to 16.5 per cent

2012 Reduction of the general corporate income tax rate to 15 per cent

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watcher
post Oct 6 2008, 02:38 PM
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we did just got home from the deed, made me fell all bubbly and warm, almost patriotic
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post Oct 6 2008, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE (StraightTalk @ Oct 6 2008, 02:51 PM) *
THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING

Major Federal Tax Relief for Business - CONSERVATIVES Track Record & Forecast:

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Year of entry into force Measures
2006 Elimination of the capital tax
Introduction of the Apprenticeship Job Creation Tax Credit

2007 Increase in the eligible income threshold for the small business tax rate
Alignment of capital cost allowance rates with useful life
Introduction of the temporary incentive for investment in manufacturing and processing machinery and equipment

2008 Elimination of the corporate surtax
Reduction of the general corporate income tax rate from 21 to 19.5 per cent
Reduction of the small business tax rate from 12 to 11 per cent

2009 Reduction of the general corporate income tax rate to 19 per cent

2010 Reduction of the general corporate income tax rate to 18 per cent

2011 Reduction of the general corporate income tax rate to 16.5 per cent

2012 Reduction of the general corporate income tax rate to 15 per cent


Oh my. But can the country afford it? Personally, I think they should either raise coporate taxes very slightly or else keep them where they're at, and donn't give out any at all. Just like it's time to curtail spending on expensive social programs, its also wise to severely limit tax cuts/breaks for anyone. Rich or poor. Nobody should get off in a time of recession or economic slowdown.
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post Oct 6 2008, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE (Really? @ Oct 6 2008, 03:41 PM) *
Oh my. But can the country afford it? Personally, I think they should either raise coporate taxes very slightly or else keep them where they're at, and donn't give out any at all. Just like it's time to curtail spending on expensive social programs, its also wise to severely limit tax cuts/breaks for anyone. Rich or poor. Nobody should get off in a time of recession or economic slowdown.


You know our Canadian leaders are fairly boring compared to the US for a reason.

I am sure the MASTER PLAN is to get BIG BUSINESS from the US to re-locate & open up shop here.

For example, Microsoft creating 700 jobs in Richmond, BC soon.

Kind of like BIG BC COMPANIES re-located to ALBERTA (ie Jim Pattison Group).

So you see, we Canadians want OBAMA to become President, so the Master Plan will have been completely realized by 2012, when Canada will have significant TAX ADVANTAGES over the US.

MORE COMPANIES PAYING TAXES & CREATING JOBS IS A GOOD THING FOR CANADA!

And many of them will be WHITE COLLAR jobs too.

Then the government will provided subsidized re-training to people who losts jobs from the manufacturing sector, to upgrade their skills & education -- to say high tech IT, health care or education jobs... Since we cannot compete with China with regards to low cost labour for manufacturing anyway.
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post Oct 6 2008, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE (Really? @ Oct 6 2008, 03:41 PM) *
Oh my. But can the country afford it? Personally, I think they should either raise coporate taxes very slightly or else keep them where they're at, and donn't give out any at all. Just like it's time to curtail spending on expensive social programs, its also wise to severely limit tax cuts/breaks for anyone. Rich or poor. Nobody should get off in a time of recession or economic slowdown.


Check this out too.

When people have more disposable and eventually discretionary income, then there is more money to be re-invested or spent in the local economy. Lower taxes can actually create more taxes (since many people will not waste time to avoid or evade tax for example too). And more companies creating more jobs, with more people paying more taxes...etc.


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post Oct 6 2008, 03:10 PM
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I'm not against tax cuts for anyone, as long as they can be paid for and don't plunge the budget into the Red. Right now, the Tories are touching perilously close to that. Just $3 billion where once it was $40 billion. At this time, I think it is unwise to dole out tax cuts or new spending. Perhaps later, as you suggest, but not at the beginning of the downturn when the government will need every red penny it can get. I'd go so far to suggest that some taxes should rise, to make up for the projected shortfall in 2009 and 2010. But if we weather the storm, then I think there's room for that. But not just tax cuts then, but spending for social programs, education and devlopment as well. However at this time, there shouldn't be anything doled for anybody. Period.
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Nat
post Oct 6 2008, 03:17 PM
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Don't forget that was 3 billion surplus but Harper's just announced a child tax credit increase so what's left if anything? I like how he keepstrying to buy my vote with my taxes!
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watcher
post Oct 6 2008, 03:18 PM
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I acrually had a set to with one of the elections officers today, i was watching him cross out with a ruller each persons address from a huge binder as the signed in .
I said to him i dont that is appropriate to be actually marking down in that book who votes and who dont vote, is that proper, he was pretty screwed up
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post Oct 6 2008, 03:19 PM
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I felt and said to him this may be making it easier for you to do your job here BUT when this is all over there will be a list out there in someones possession as to who did what, not how they voted but if they did or not
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post Oct 6 2008, 03:21 PM
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thus now they know who to phone and work on and who not to, i just didnt like it, 99 percent of you are too young to know about lists, but lists were a terrible thing in wars of the past
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Nat
post Oct 6 2008, 03:23 PM
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You're right watcher, I've noticed that they cross off my name when I vote. It's probably why I get phone calls from the parties as they know I vote. I've managed to stay off most telemarketing lists but still get calls from the political parties. Attention: REGISTER / LOGIN to view the image!
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post Oct 6 2008, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE (Nat @ Oct 6 2008, 04:17 PM) *
Don't forget that was 3 billion surplus but Harper's just announced a child tax credit increase so what's left if anything? I like how he keepstrying to buy my vote with my taxes!


Then who will you vote for?

NDP?

Isn't it strange how when BIG US COMPANIES like GM & FORD lay people off due to bad profits, those UNION members complain to the government for hand outs and for new jobs.

But when skilled tradesmen, stock brokers, realtors or IT personnel (ie last tech bubble burst), you don't see any of them b1tching & whining about it?

Let alone artists getting all upset that they are not get free hand outs like they used to, when times are tough.

I mean if you lose a job, are you going to go out a continue to buy that expensive Starbucks Caramel Macchiato Venti size every day? LOL Attention: REGISTER / LOGIN to view the image!

You can't please everyone, all of the times -- even the people that will benefit the most...LOL.
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Nat
post Oct 6 2008, 03:28 PM
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No I'm seriously thinking of voting Green. I think that is the only party I can really feel positive about. I don't want to vote negative. Attention: REGISTER / LOGIN to view the image!
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post Oct 6 2008, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE (StraightTalk @ Oct 6 2008, 04:26 PM) *
Then who will you vote for?

NDP?

Isn't it strange how when BIG US COMPANIES like GM & FORD lay people off due to bad profits, those UNION members complain to the government for hand outs and for new jobs.

But when skilled tradesmen, stock brokers, realtors or IT personnel (ie last tech bubble burst), you don't see any of them b1tching & whining about it?

Let alone artists getting all upset that they are not get free hand outs like they used to, when times are tough.

I mean if you lose a job, are you going to go out a continue to buy that expensive Starbucks Caramel Macchiato Venti size every day? LOL Attention: REGISTER / LOGIN to view the image!

You can't please everyone, all of the times -- even the people that will benefit the most...LOL.


I still don't see why we've only got a $3 billion surplus when we had $40 bil in reserves. That's not very good fiscal management. This is why we need to reign in spending and keep a leash on this Tory government. Tax cuts or new spending initiatives aren't any good if they drive us into the red once more. The Tories should be keeping a lid on expenditures and tax cuts right now. I'll be pretty p*ssed at them if next year we're in the red. They'll have blown the burgeoning surplus we once had. Thats no good.
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post Oct 6 2008, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE (Yup @ Oct 6 2008, 05:09 PM) *
I still don't see why we've only got a $3 billion surplus when we had $40 bil in reserves. That's not very good fiscal management. This is why we need to reign in spending and keep a leash on this Tory government. Tax cuts or new spending initiatives aren't any good if they drive us into the red once more. The Tories should be keeping a lid on expenditures and tax cuts right now. I'll be pretty p*ssed at them if next year we're in the red. They'll have blown the burgeoning surplus we once had. Thats no good.


http://www.budget.gc.ca/2008/news-nouvelle...uvelles-eng.asp

Budget 2008 also demonstrates responsible leadership by:

Reducing debt.
Since taking office, the Government has reduced the federal debt by more than $37 billion, including $10.2 billion this fiscal year. The Government’s aggressive debt reduction has resulted in ongoing interest savings of $2 billion per year. Under the Tax Back Guarantee, the benefits of debt reduction are passed on to Canadians in the form of lower personal income taxes.

Strengthening Canada’s tax advantage.
Since taking office, the Government has delivered almost $200 billion in tax relief over this and the next five years. Budget 2008 extends accelerated capital cost allowance treatment for the manufacturing and processing sector by three years on a declining basis—this will provide these businesses with an additional $1 billion in tax relief.

Investing in the country’s manufacturing heartland.
In February 2008, Parliament passed the Government’s $1-billion Community Development Trust to support communities and workers. Budget 2008 builds on this investment by providing $250 million for an Automotive Innovation Fund to help Canada’s automotive sector adapt to the challenges of the future.

Investing in the priorities of Canadians
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Budget 2008 is providing $400 million to hire 2,500 new front-line police officers over the next five years. Budget 2008 also supports the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions and will improve the safety systems for food, consumer and health products.

“We have come to a fork in the road,” said Minister Flaherty. “Some would have us go down the path to higher spending, higher interest payments and higher taxes. That approach is misguided. Our Government is taking the path that requires focus, prudence and discipline.”


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post Oct 6 2008, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (Nat @ Oct 6 2008, 04:28 PM) *
No I'm seriously thinking of voting Green. I think that is the only party I can really feel positive about. I don't want to vote negative. Attention: REGISTER / LOGIN to view the image!


Definitely, Conservative Minority with Green Party Opposition could be interesting.
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Can't Dish out Tax Breaks Ga
post Oct 6 2008, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (StraightTalk @ Oct 6 2008, 05:14 PM) *
http://www.budget.gc.ca/2008/news-nouvelle...uvelles-eng.asp

Budget 2008 also demonstrates responsible leadership by:

Reducing debt.
Since taking office, the Government has reduced the federal debt by more than $37 billion, including $10.2 billion this fiscal year. The Government’s aggressive debt reduction has resulted in ongoing interest savings of $2 billion per year. Under the Tax Back Guarantee, the benefits of debt reduction are passed on to Canadians in the form of lower personal income taxes.

Strengthening Canada’s tax advantage.
Since taking office, the Government has delivered almost $200 billion in tax relief over this and the next five years. Budget 2008 extends accelerated capital cost allowance treatment for the manufacturing and processing sector by three years on a declining basis—this will provide these businesses with an additional $1 billion in tax relief.

Investing in the country’s manufacturing heartland.
In February 2008, Parliament passed the Government’s $1-billion Community Development Trust to support communities and workers. Budget 2008 builds on this investment by providing $250 million for an Automotive Innovation Fund to help Canada’s automotive sector adapt to the challenges of the future.

Investing in the priorities of Canadians
.
Budget 2008 is providing $400 million to hire 2,500 new front-line police officers over the next five years. Budget 2008 also supports the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions and will improve the safety systems for food, consumer and health products.

“We have come to a fork in the road,” said Minister Flaherty. “Some would have us go down the path to higher spending, higher interest payments and higher taxes. That approach is misguided. Our Government is taking the path that requires focus, prudence and discipline.”


Time to reign in spending, withold tax cuts and cut immigration to 150,000. The economy aint so good, and will get worse in 09. Do the sensible things, not just chase votes or give favors to old cronies.
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post Oct 6 2008, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (Can't Dish out Tax Breaks Ga @ Oct 6 2008, 08:31 PM) *
Time to reign in spending, withold tax cuts and cut immigration to 150,000. The economy aint so good, and will get worse in 09. Do the sensible things, not just chase votes or give favors to old cronies.


Tell that to Layton & Dion...lol.

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post Oct 6 2008, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE (Can't Dish out Tax Breaks Ga @ Oct 6 2008, 08:31 PM) *
cut immigration to 150,000


That would be plain silly.

When people immigrate here, they don't get social assistance right off the bat.

In fact, I predict many wealthy Americans & ex-patriots from Canada moving back to Canada and bringing with them money and experience.

Just wait and see it unfold.
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post Oct 6 2008, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE (StraightTalk @ Oct 6 2008, 09:08 PM) *
That would be plain silly.

When people immigrate here, they don't get social assistance right off the bat.

In fact, I predict many wealthy Americans & ex-patriots from Canada moving back to Canada and bringing with them money and experience.

Just wait and see it unfold.

Yes, and that's why in hard times, you only accept the best qualified and monied, who'll boost your economy. I think your heroes, the Tories, did just what I'm proposing. Back in the mid 80s, when the Canadian economy was in the pits, they only allowed in about 140,000 immigrants. And you know what? I commend them for it. Mulroney did the right thing. Because there was no sense in allowing too many people in who the government couldn't provide for. No budget for them at the time.

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post Oct 6 2008, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE (Reply @ Oct 6 2008, 09:15 PM) *
Yes, and that's why in hard times, you only accept the best qualified and monied, who'll boost your economy. I think your heroes, the Tories, did just what I'm proposing. Back in the mid 80s, when the Canadian economy was in the pits, they only allowed in about 140,000 immigrants. And you know what? I commend them for it. Mulroney did the right thing. Because there was no sense in allowing too many people in who the government couldn't provide for. No budget for them at the time.

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post Oct 7 2008, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (Macy @ Oct 6 2008, 12:19 PM) *
You still have TODAY to do it. I knew who I was going to vote for. I didn't hesitate, decided to beat the rush. Better to vote than to allow undesirable to advance to the top. When you don't vote, you allow other voters to guide your future.

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I voted in the special ballots today. I voted Green because Harper doesn't deserve a majority, Dion's carbon tax is stupid, and the NDP is just, well stupider.
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post Oct 11 2008, 06:20 PM
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