Gay Marriage Defeated in Maine

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#1 Marion Morrison

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:07 PM

The referendum to repeal gay marriage was successful 52% to 48%.

There has never been a successful ballot measure that approves gay marraige in the United States. Gay marriage is legal only in the states where the legislatures passes laws. Which proves politicians are out of of touch with the mainstream of the population. Which is against gay marriage.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:17 PM

Marion Morrison, on 03 November 2009 - 11:07 PM, said:

the majority of america is stupid though, so your stats are irrelevant.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:31 PM

Dark Canuck, on 04 November 2009 - 12:17 AM, said:

the majority of america is stupid though, so your stats are irrelevant.

Actually the people in the entire world is against Gay Marriage. Of the 6 Billion people in the world, how many believe in Gay marriage? Only a small percentage. How many outside of Western Europe and North America believe in Gay Marraige? Practically none. Why don't you go to China, India, Africa, and see how many believe in Gay Marriage.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:37 PM

Marion Morrison, on 03 November 2009 - 11:31 PM, said:

why would i care what the ignorant masses think?

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:00 AM

Dark Canuck, on 04 November 2009 - 12:37 AM, said:

why would i care what the ignorant masses think?

what did that comment base on?

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:04 AM

Marion Morrison, on 04 November 2009 - 12:31 AM, said:

How many outside of Western Europe and North America believe in Gay Marraige? Practically none. Why don't you go to China, India, Africa, and see how many believe in Gay Marriage.

That is true. I suspect it's more of a western thing. A lot things we are used to are seen as ridiculous in other parts of the world I am not talking about g** marriage, just in general much less acceptable than here.Call it less 'freedom' or more sanity maybe?

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:05 AM

Marion Morrison, on 03 November 2009 - 11:07 PM, said:

Out of touch with the mainstream population? It's a 2% voting difference. That's not very far out of touch. Posted Image

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 08:05 AM

Ignorance and prejudice know no boundaries.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 08:09 AM

Pat, on 04 November 2009 - 08:05 AM, said:

Ignorance and prejudice know no boundaries.

works both ways on this issue. I would hasten to add there is little tolerance from the homosexual side too. Marion's right though.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 09:54 AM

RealWoman, on 04 November 2009 - 12:05 AM, said:

Out of touch with the mainstream population? It's a 2% voting difference. That's not very far out of touch. Posted Image

He's talking about the big picture. New England was one of the most-pro gay states and for this to happen, it shows the truth.
Obama is against it also. (I respect him more for not bending down to the pressure of the gay lobby)

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 11:15 AM

Typical of RW, she can't think and she can't do simple math either.

a 52% to 48% voting margin is 4%.

And nowhere in the world has any law been passed allowing Gay Marriage, when the people of the country have been allowed to vote on it. That includes Canada.

I wonder, if the people could force a vote on the subject in Canada, would it pass or not? I suspect that a ballot proposition on whether Gay marriage should be allowed would fail, if the Canadian people were ever allowed to vote on the subject.

But of course that will NEVER happen in Canada.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 11:28 AM

i remember back when wearing seat belts became law. people, mostly old, cranky people, were all up in arms about having to put that DAMN PIECE OF FABRIC across their big fat bellies. i wonder how many lives have been saved because that law wasn't voted on by the general public?

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 11:55 AM

Dark Canuck, on 04 November 2009 - 12:28 PM, said:

Good analogy. On divisive issues, such as abortion and marriage equality, and civil rights for African-Americans in an earlier era, much of the populace cannot be trusted to make rational decision if it is left to a popular vote. The majority of Supreme Court justices recognized this in 1954 with the Brown decision, and in 1973 with the Roe v. Wade decision. Marriage equality may ultimately have to be decided the same way.

If we allow every important decision regarding civil rights to be decided at the ballot box, we soon won't have civil rights, only mob rule.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 11:58 AM

If we sat around and waited for the majority of a population to approve of something, women would still be considered less than a person. As there is no such thing as logic amongst the ignorant population, their votes do not count.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:00 PM

Aww Captain Dick beat me to my argument. Thanks for wording it more eloquently though Posted Image

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:01 PM

Which is why we entrust our elected officials to vote on issues in Canada, in the US the ballots can be pages and pages of initiatives to vote on and I'm betting if American political savy is the same as their Geography capabilities...some major issues are best left to the elected officials.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:11 PM

Without delving into any personal feelings with respect to the subject, I believe that the gay marriage issue is one of "social acceptance" more than any other reason, i.e. tax rights, sexual relations, etc.

In other words, it comes down to the acceptability of word "marriage" being applicable to homosexual couples as "normal" to the rest of the general populace, and not that most people should feel that they have equal rights which they feel they should.

Apparently, according to a number of different polls, it is almost unanimous that the majority of the world does not believe so, including the more accepting nations of such relationships classified under the category of Western/European nations.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:17 PM

Dark Canuck, on 04 November 2009 - 11:28 AM, said:

what does gay marriage have to do with saving lives?

horrible analogy..

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:19 PM

Ham, on 04 November 2009 - 01:11 PM, said:

Please don't bore me with pedantic semantics. This is WAR! And it will not be won until the forces of intolerance are CRUSHED, like the Romans did to Carthage.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:21 PM

Captain Dick, on 04 November 2009 - 12:19 PM, said:

Please don't bore me with pedantic semantics. This is WAR! And it will not be won until the forces of intolerance are CRUSHED, like the Romans did to Carthage.

by intolerance do you mean the minority gay groups that refuse to to accept that marriage is between a man and a woman?

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:22 PM

Captain Dick, on 04 November 2009 - 03:19 PM, said:

Please don't bore me with pedantic semantics. This is WAR! And it will not be won until the forces of intolerance are CRUSHED, like the Romans did to Carthage.

LOL @ "pedantic semantics".

I was simply explaining why I believe the votes keep going against the issue.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:29 PM

strawberry jam, on 04 November 2009 - 01:21 PM, said:

by intolerance do you mean the minority gay groups that refuse to to accept that marriage is between a man and a woman?

Marriage has only been that way by tradition, not by some intrinsic idea within it. It is, after all, a CIVIL CONTRACT, like any other.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:42 PM

Marion Morrison, on 04 November 2009 - 12:07 AM, said:

The referendum to repeal gay marriage was successful 52% to 48%.

In another 5 years or so, the numbers will be reversed, when many of the conservative old farts that voted to repeal will be drooling away in their dotage in some nursing home.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:45 PM

Captain Dick, on 04 November 2009 - 12:42 PM, said:

In another 5 years or so, the numbers will be reversed, when many of the conservative old farts that voted to repeal will be drooling away their dotage in some nursing home.

Bad example - Maine is so far to the left that their lobsters have 10 left legs

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 12:47 PM

If two people want to "jump the broom"...I'm tryin to figure out what impact that will have on me?

Oh right, I want to impose my beliefs on others about exactly who can do it.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 01:12 PM

The Old medic, on 04 November 2009 - 12:15 PM, said:

Lol. So Old Medic, if 2% of the voters changed their vote (ie. they voted differently), would the vote work out to 50% to 50% or would it work out to 52% to 50%? Take your time in answering. I know this is a tricky problem.

Christ people, what is the issue? It's not like they are going to breed little homos as a result of getting married. Let them do it and mind your own business.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 01:16 PM

Riel, on 04 November 2009 - 01:12 PM, said:

Sorry but I have to add, both those jokes made me laugh like crazy

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 02:21 PM

strawberry jam, on 04 November 2009 - 12:17 PM, said:

what does gay marriage have to do with saving lives?

horrible analogy..

durrrrrr...
the take-home message wasn't about 'saving lives', it was "just because a majority of people feel strongly about something doesn't mean that majority isn't stupid".
are ya with me?
you get where i'm going?
you picking up what i'm puttin down?

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 05:40 PM

If the vote had come out 50/50, then it would have failed. Too bad though, the latest reports say it came out 53% in favor of banning gay marriage, 47% in favor. That is a 5% vote margin, any way you look at it.

The problem is that Gays refuse to accept their abnormality. They are abnormal, by any definition of that word. But so are people that have to wear glasses in order to see, people that have to use mobility devices in order to get around, etc.

I favor civil unions for Gay folks. But I do not favor legal marriage. Marriage has been reserved for couples of opposite sex through human history. There is absolutely no valid reason to change that now.

It has absolutely nothing to do with loving another person (you don't need marriage for that).

It has nothing to do with the ability to have legal rights, civil unions can handle all of those legal aspects.

It comes down to essentially one issue. Gays want everyone else to accept that their love is normal. But, in reality, it is not normal at all. It does NOT follow the norm, it is by definition "abnormal".

You can scream and yell and call me every name in the book, but that will never convince me, or the majority of people in this world, that your position is correct.

Of course you will continue to do whatever you choose to do. So be it. And I will continue to fight against the concept of marriage for Gay people.

I don't hate them, I don't even dislike them. I just support that marriage is between Dick and Jane, not between Ralph and Ralph or Suzie and Suzie!

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 05:44 PM

hey old medic

prince charles and his lovely wife are in Canada this week. As a "citizen" of Canada, why don't you come on up and cheer them on

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 05:48 PM

The Old medic, on 04 November 2009 - 05:40 PM, said:

Why do you care what two consenting adults choose to do with their lives?

Sure, homosexuality isn't "normal", but neither is bigotry, homophobia, egocentrism, or self-righteousness.

I'm married, and I wouldn't be offended if two gays chose to use the term "marriage" for their union. It doesn't affect me. It doesn't affect you. Again, why do you care? Are you trying to preserve the moral fabric of Western society? Laffo.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 05:54 PM

The Old medic, on 04 November 2009 - 11:15 AM, said:

I wonder, if the people could force a vote on the subject in Canada, would it pass or not? I suspect that a ballot proposition on whether Gay marriage should be allowed would fail, if the Canadian people were ever allowed to vote on the subject.

But of course that will NEVER happen in Canada.

I suspect a small minority of regressive conservatives, and the entire gay community would vote. Nobody else would care.

Thus, landslide for the gays.

Nobody cares about politics in Canada, all they do is complain. Nobody actually does anything. How many people have even ever written a letter to their MP?

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 06:17 PM

The Old medic, on 04 November 2009 - 05:40 PM, said:

If the vote had come out 50/50, then it would have failed. Too bad though, the latest reports say it came out 53% in favor of banning gay marriage, 47% in favor. That is a 5% vote margin, any way you look at it.

The problem is that Gays refuse to accept their abnormality. They are abnormal, by any definition of that word. But so are people that have to wear glasses in order to see, people that have to use mobility devices in order to get around, etc.

I favor civil unions for Gay folks. But I do not favor legal marriage. Marriage has been reserved for couples of opposite sex through human history. There is absolutely no valid reason to change that now.

It has absolutely nothing to do with loving another person (you don't need marriage for that).

It has nothing to do with the ability to have legal rights, civil unions can handle all of those legal aspects.

It comes down to essentially one issue. Gays want everyone else to accept that their love is normal. But, in reality, it is not normal at all. It does NOT follow the norm, it is by definition "abnormal".

You can scream and yell and call me every name in the book, but that will never convince me, or the majority of people in this world, that your position is correct.

Of course you will continue to do whatever you choose to do. So be it. And I will continue to fight against the concept of marriage for Gay people.

I don't hate them, I don't even dislike them. I just support that marriage is between Dick and Jane, not between Ralph and Ralph or Suzie and Suzie!

sure they can, but do they?

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 04:59 PM

Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, is the short title of a federal law of the United States passed on September 21, 1996 as Public Law No. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419. Its provisions are codified at 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C. The law has two effects:

No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) needs to treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.
The federal government defines marriage as a legal union exclusively between one man and one woman.

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 08:48 PM

The Old medic, on 04 November 2009 - 11:15 AM, said:

My bad on the math. It was midnight, I was tired. Mistakes were made. But let me rephrase: a 5% difference is hardly out of touch with reality.

BTW - in most ratifying states, the masses didn't vote on the US Constitution, Bill of Rights or many other laws you have in the US either.