Michael Chang is TAIWANESE Not CHINESE

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#1 Down with Red China

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 03:21 PM

Taiwan is not part of China! Don't claim otherwise!

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#2 Qwerty

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 03:42 PM

Michael Chang, the tennis player? He's an American. Born in New Jersey. His father was born in China, his mother in India. They grew up in Taiwan before moving to the US.

So, exactly how is he Taiwanese?

#3 Best tennis legs in history

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 05:29 PM

I'd do him:

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 06:16 PM

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I'd do him:

Wrap them around me, Mikey!

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 10:04 PM

Qwerty, on Feb 1 2009, 04:42 PM, said:

Michael Chang, the tennis player? He's an American. Born in New Jersey. His father was born in China, his mother in India. They grew up in Taiwan before moving to the US.

So, exactly how is he Taiwanese?

Personally, it means a lot to me when people consider me Canadian even if I'm not white and don't have generations of British, French or other European ancestors in this country.

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#6 Marion Morrison

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Posted 02 February 2009 - 01:34 AM

Ethnicly, Michael Chang is Chinese regardless of his nationality, Taiwanese or American.

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Posted 02 February 2009 - 01:54 AM

Taiwan is part of China. Taiwan needs China for its economy.

Not to mention, the Taiwanese stole precious historical artifacts of Chinese history.

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Posted 02 February 2009 - 09:55 PM

Qwerty, on Feb 1 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

they probably meant his heritage, but he is more american than anything else in him for sure.

#9 TAIWANMAN-san

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 09:17 PM

Down with Red China, on 01 February 2009 - 03:21 PM, said:

Taiwan is not part of China! Don't claim otherwise!

me also thinks so! :mad:

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 11:13 PM

TAIWANMAN-san, on 16 October 2009 - 10:17 PM, said:

me also thinks so! :mad:

is Taiwan part of Japan? Me no think so :naughty:

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 07:56 AM

Down with Red China, on 01 February 2009 - 03:21 PM, said:

Taiwan is not part of China! Don't claim otherwise!

Love China. Chang is CHINESE!

#12 TAIWANMAN-san

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 03:09 AM

Ultimate GuardianFlash, on 16 October 2009 - 11:13 PM, said:

is Taiwan part of Japan? Me no think so :naughty:

me thinks yes :sleep:

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 09:11 AM

I've always found it unfair how he was branded as some outsider by the American media and an illegitimate champion.

The American media itself was terribly racist and frequently would favor his white opponents.

Michael Chang is an American and a devout Christian.

Whatever his race or looks, he was officially crowned French Open champion at 17, an American born player raised in New Jersey.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Michael_Chang

He defeated the Number 1 ranked player at the time, Ivan Lendl.

An extrodinary achievement for one so young.

For that reason, his glory can never be diminished, nor his title taken away.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 09:53 AM

GraveDigger, on 19 October 2009 - 10:41 AM, said:

they all look the same and they all cant drive

Not Chinese myself. But whatever his race, his talent and achievments cannot be undermined.

...At least, I'm envious. If I had even half his talent in tennis, I'd be out tryin' ta make a living at it.

Tennis is a difficult game. So, to be that good to play against the greatest players in the game is an extrordinary achievement.

Plus, as a rather small player, he won in an era when the players were much taller and stronger than him.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 10:02 AM

(ESYK), on 02 February 2009 - 12:04 AM, said:

Personally, it means a lot to me when people consider me Canadian even if I'm not white and don't have generations of British, French or other European ancestors in this country.

I could relate to that. Though it really depends on which kind people you hang out with, some made you feel comfortable others would still see you as outsiders. Take many of the posters on this forum for example.

Michael Chang as I remembered as a kid appeared in many of the hair product commercials lol.. He was the second best at his peak, even that it still was considered a successful sport star at the time and a respected non white athlete in the 90's.

Personally the Americans I talked with seemed pretty welcoming to the new Americans, at least from what I heard they didn't ask people to have useless ' American experience ' to work in Mcdonalds like here lol..

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 10:53 AM

I think that Taiwan should join China. Together they may do great things.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:31 PM

Ultimate GuardianFlash, on 17 October 2009 - 12:13 AM, said:

is Taiwan part of Japan? Me no think so Posted Image

The true ethnic Taiwanese people are closer to the Jomon people [true Japanese] in Japan, yes you are right

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:34 PM

furthermore the Jomon are closer to the Polynesian peoples than any Asian nation including China BTW. Just a sidebar note...I think their pride extends from this... and of course freedom!!!

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:45 PM

DocWatson, on 19 October 2009 - 05:31 PM, said:

The true ethnic Taiwanese people are closer to the Jomon people [true Japanese] in Japan, yes you are right

ethnic taiwanese are astronesians like the people scattered all over the Pacific and south east asia including the malays Japanese are closer to Altaic people

Austronesian peoples are a population in Oceania and Southeast Asia that speak languages of the Austronesian languages family. Austronesian peoples include: Taiwanese aborigines; the majority ethnic groups of East Timor, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Brunei, Madagascar, Micronesia, and Polynesia, as well as the Polynesian peoples of New Zealand and Hawaii, and the Austronesian peoples of Melanesia. They are also found in the Pattani region of Thailand, and the Cham areas of Vietnam, Cambodia, and Hainan, China (remnants of the Champa kingdom which covered central and southern Vietnam). The territories settled by Austronesian peoples are known collectively as Austronesia.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:47 PM

Altaic is a language family that is generally held by its proponents to include the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Korean, and Japonic language families (Georg et al. 1999:73–74).[2] These languages are spoken in a wide arc stretching from northeast Asia through Central Asia to Anatolia and eastern Europe (Turks, Kalmyks).[3] The group is named after the Altai Mountains, a mountain range in Central Asia.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:48 PM

is there an echo around here?

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:48 PM

chinese army, on 02 February 2009 - 01:54 AM, said:

Taiwan is part of China. Taiwan needs China for its economy.

Not to mention, the Taiwanese stole precious historical artifacts of Chinese history.

Don't you mean that Taiwan saved tons of historical artifacts and art from certain destruction during the cultural revolution ? Shouldn't the PRC be thanking Taiwan ? In The book Red Star Over China written by Edgar Snow,the first westerner to get to know Mao Mao is quoted as promising Taiwan,Tibet and Xinjiang that they were not required to be a part of the "new" China but that he merely was asking for their help in winning the revolution. Didn't you learn these 2 facts in your PRC hstory class ? Though no newspaper in The west,Taiwan or China will publicise this fact....Taiwan was signed over the the USA as a protorate.Taiwanese should have been screaming for the American voting rights. As Lee Teng Hui says..."It's good to speak the truth " With the internet these facts actually aren't that difficult to confirm now. Care to dispute these facts ? Hey....don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:50 PM

if you want to split hairs and break up china into a hundred provinces then taiwan is just another province in china.

so chinese yes.

it's like BCers are Canadians.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:51 PM

DocWatson, on 19 October 2009 - 05:48 PM, said:

is there an echo around here?

typical when exposed for posting false info you start posting crap

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:51 PM

Look up Taiwan people and then Jomon people, [ there is the connection] disregard languge for example as it is far too complex to identify race this way. KISS principle

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:53 PM

there is NO connection between Taiwanese aboriginals and jomon people. the ancient Japanese emigrated from the Korean peninsula

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:55 PM

Chris Patton, on 19 October 2009 - 03:48 PM, said:

Why should PRC thank Taiwan? Taiwan was ruled by a different party who got kicked out of mainland after wwII, whatever they did have nothing to do with PRC or their cultural revolution, which was only happening in mainland China during the 60-70es.

Get your history lesson straight.

Lee Deng Hui was one of the extreme separatists during the 80's and 90's.

Speaking of historical buildings and art being destructed, my friend from Taiwan told me the separatists torn down a lot of those so they can deny Taiwan has been part of China.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 10:26 PM

The Taiwanese Aborigines are Austronesian peoples, with linguistic and genetic ties to other Austronesian ethnic groups, such as peoples of the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Madagascar and Oceania (Hill et al. 2007; Bird, Hope & Taylor 2004). The issue of an ethnic identity unconnected to the Asian mainland has become one thread in the discourse regarding the political status of Taiwan.
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Posted 19 October 2009 - 11:45 PM

DocWatson, on 19 October 2009 - 01:51 PM, said:

Look up Taiwan people and then Jomon people, [ there is the connection]

me thinks so too :laugh:

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 07:14 PM

Sefardic-Shinto-Male, on 19 October 2009 - 02:03 PM, said:

This the Qing Empire, the same Q

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Chris Patton, on 05 November 2009 - 07:14 PM, said:

This the Qing Empire, the same Q

This is the Qing empire,yes the same Qing that is used in code in the "FAAN CHING FUK MING " oath. They are the the despised Qing that the Chinese hate so much.The same Qing that were culturally very similar to Mongolians [ nomads ] who are used in the "faan ching fuk ming" oath to represent the non chinese people who they asked for and were given permission by to emmigrate to whichever country allowed them in. Meaning of course when they come to a country the ching are over the Ming [ chinese] and "faan" meaning overturn so that the ming are over the ching. Kill the ching,destroy the ching,extirminate the ching etc...also are in this owth. The Qing were considered foreign uncivilised barbarians and what do they call White people and natives > Lo faan [white people ]and hung faan [natives] this faan meaning foreign uncivilised barbarians.These terms are very derogatory and racist.The Qing not Chinese gave Taiwan to Japan.Chinese never immigrated to Taiwan until near the end of the ming dynastry. Why are there virtually no native polynesian Taiwanese now ? Look up the word genocide. By the way Taiwan was never ruled by han chinese. They were only a part of CHina when China was part of the mongolian empire and later the Wing Dynasty.In both cases the Tibettans had significantly higher status in those dynasties than the han chinese due to their cultural similarities. Which one of these facts do you not like people knowing ?

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 07:30 PM

commentator, on 19 October 2009 - 01:50 PM, said:

if you want to split hairs and break up china into a hundred provinces then taiwan is just another province in china.

so chinese yes.

it's like BCers are Canadians.

People from BC feel that they are a part of CAnada. Taiwanese don't feel that they are a part of the PRC.Doesn't the "faan ching fuk ming" oath mean that Canada is also a province of China whether Canadians think so or not ?

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 07:41 PM

Chris Patton, on 05 November 2009 - 08:30 PM, said:

exactly how many tainwaneses do you know to say that?

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 07:43 PM

Chris Patton, on 05 November 2009 - 08:26 PM, said:

Taiwan has always been part of China, before and at Ming up till Qing where they gave it to Japan after failed in the war 100 years ago. Google ' Zheng Cheng Gong" .. dumbass, if I were as ignorant as you I would keep my mouth shut.