Vancouver Forum: non-aboriginals should be abolished from canada - Vancouver Forum

If you think a race or religion make u different than others
you are simply a Racist.

Different = Better

Er, if you think a Hindu is the same as a Jew, you aren't a "non-racist"....you are a f-cking idiot. Any Jew, any Hindu, anyone in the world, would call you an idiot. That is the stupidest comment I've ever heard.

I meant better not Different

Matthew needs a spanking.

If you think a race or religion make u better than others
you are simply a Racist.

*sigh*

I'll just have to explain it.

The term "Aboriginal" has become one of the most disputed in the Australian language. (First Nations Australia Arts and Culture Centre) And has spread tp some parts of Parliament when it comes to laws pertaining to First Nations people.

First Nations is the term that connects all of the First Nations people in the 1970's to get rid of the popular word for them "Indian".  The word Aboriginal only covers a few of the bands of First Nations, and therefore does not cover all bands of tribes. The word First Nations covers all bands of tribes, including Metis.- Get it?

Aboriginal does mean (latin word "Aborigene") "from the begining", but it suggests that only those bands covered in that term are Ab, and not all. First Nations includes all of the bands of tribes including Metis.

Phew!

And if your family line was not born here (covering Australia, all of North America) 'from the begining' in essence; you're an immigrant.

Typing so fast I'm sure I made a mistake in spelling something. icon/icon_smile_blush.gif

me thinks Abs' family line not from Canada either.

Muslim Girl your comment does nt make sense at all
what if my great grand father is aborginal but my grand father
born in france and my father born in canada and I born in france and
my kids born in canada! Can you explain if im an Immigrant or first nation?

citz,

LOL I'm not an Arab, I'm Persian and I never laid claim that I'm not a immigrant. Born in Canada, but remain an immigrant.

The aboriginals were getting dangerous so the Europeans had to take over. Sheeeeesk they bow & arrows and quivers that held multi arrows, plus clubs, tomahawks and they fought different tribes. Can you imagine what would have happened if we hadn't came here and taken over ? They would have been using catapaults by now and by the year 2750 probably would have been figuered out some type of gunpowder and then all H would have broke loose.
  I am not a highly educated person and all my life have felt inferior to those with high educations and many degrees. But I have never invented a thing that would do anyone an ounce of harm . But if your a real smart cookie, get a PHD in physics or whatever, then your on the road to building bigger and better bombs so you can kill millions of people all at once.
The day of the free proud Indians that roamed these plains is long past but the memory of it should never be let to die. It should be remembered with sweet relish in our minds like the fresh morning dew on a fragrant wild rose.

This mattew is a inferior minded bastard that in Hitler's age should have been put into exterminator or subject to biological test.

'from the begining' in essence"
what that suppose to mean!!!
read history my friend
People have always moved from a place to another place.
you make no sense;)

Muslim Girl
you are persian but do you know you are from the same race as some east indian and
germans!!they are all Arians!

Muslimgirl

Posted - 5/6/2007 2:07:33 AM citz, LOL I'm not an Arab, I'm Persian and I never laid claim that I'm not a immigrant. Born in Canada, but remain an immigrant

Abs as in Aboriginal, not Arab. Tard.

this is why i didnt want to mention the fact that the author of the topic was in fact aboriginal

  hitler was a brilliant man..........don't make light of his name, please.

If you reead the history you will see aborginal people have moved from south and north asia to canada and USA .so does that mean chinese and thai people are the real canadians?

Islamchick,

if you're born in Canada, you are NOT an immigrant.

Er,

WOW, okay. Here I go.

If you have some sort of blood linking you to a First Nations band and it doesn't matter if your grandfather or your father, uncle, neice, dog or cat lived or was born in France; you have a blood line that ties you to First Nations, making you an ancestor of a 'first blood line' Metis people are mixed race between White and some First Nation bands, and that white blood line does not make them less of a First Nations, even if they are 10th generation. Get it?

This is basic grade 9 history. And I have done history, got my degree in World History 2 years ago. Thanks for asking though.

From the begining is a way of describing 'from the start'. I don't know how to better explain that, it's self explanatory.
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If you live in canada and if you believe in Canada and Democracy you are canadian

Geral,
perfectly said.

citz,
for the love of cheese, re-read my post on that and please PLEASE get it! In essence- the word is 'in essence'!
Has no one ever read the poem 'The immigrant of me", it was like mandatory back in grade 9?

Islamchick,

there are cures for fixations such as yours. Seek help.

Muslim girl

your comment remind me Hitler speeches
Arian Blood.....

Race is different that your Nationality
In Iran you Have kurds turkishs azaris baloochs mongolians ....
they are all from different background now tell me which one is the
Real Iranian?

you cant own a land cause your parents used to own it!
If u defeat in a war you will have to give up the land as simple as that
read the world history:

Er,
You sure are so quick to talk about things that are unrelated to what I was saying, bringing race and religion into this?

Infact Israel was there first. Never said anything about that. Anyone living there first, is it!

Your comments are irrelevant to the issue. Talk about the topic you idiot or don't talk at all. It's simple and basic history, we all learned in Grade 9. Get to your local library on Monday morning and ask for the text book and you'll see it all over the place!

Just because a certain people live here now, doesn't make it 'their land' or 'their place'. You brought up Israel, so I'll address it. Israel was there first, those people, Judasim was there first- those people are the real owners of that land and all blood lines after those have a right over that land. I never said Palestine should exist, and I never brought it up.

And just so you know, First Nations laws are not the same as average Canadians. They have different laws in some manners to different things, including child custody etc, taxes and benefits etc

citz,

My apologies, theres' no cure for being a jerk. icon/icon_smile_big.gif

Matthew,
You're a First Nations person, any thoughts?

me thinks Islamchick still in grade 9.

Matthew is Roman, don't ask him.

Geral,

That makes no sense. So you're saying that if I owned X land for 40,000 years, and than suddenly you come along kill all my people and take over my land; I suddenly don't have the right over that land just because you decided you wanted to expand your colonies?

Is anyone actually reading what I type? I never ever said that I never had the right to live here, or you, or anybody else. Icom mented on the fact (by the way documented in world history, read articles by Dr. Jared Hilcrest and Dr. Francis MacDonald to name a few, there are in your local libraries and the originals are at SFU) - We are on First Nation land. We took it, we weren't here first. That's it!

....it's 2:33am....lol

they were not here first either. how many times do you need to hear that?

i got some hot abs

citz,

Site it than. If they were not the first people living in North America, and Australia- than who? Give me sited revised historical evidence.

And by the logic some of you use, Geral mainly you. If you're comfortable with your argument, than give me your address. I'll come there, beat you up; and I'll take over your house, and it'll be mine. That sounds fair.

Brilliant. icon/icon_smile_wink.gif

I'm going to bed now, but be darn sure that I will be here first thing tomorrow morning....well maybe around 1pm because it is rather late and I haven't slept well.
Lets just set the time around 1pm shall we? LOL

Muslimgirl,

Uh see, you can't beat someone up and take their house, because thereis a government that, well... it governs stuff. There are lawsagainst it, and that's the ONLY reason why it's not actually viable todo that at all (completely ignoring the fact that your new neighboursprobably won't like you if they saw what happened). If we had nogovernment, we would have an anarchy and people could do whatever theywant. Or if you can takethe house somehow without alerting the government and assume theidentity of the house owner, you'd own the house. Likewise, if the USattacked Canada and defeated us, they would own our land if they sochose.Of course they don't do that, because we're their major tradingpartner, and that would ruin a lot of other agreements with othercountries as well. The risks outweigh the benefits, so they don't doit. Just as you (and other people) don't go out, find the nicest houseyou can find and thentake it. There's also the fact that society as a whole probablywouldn't be too happy with anything like that.

Having a History degree, you should know that there have been wars in thepast that resulted in land gains/losses by the countries/regionsinvolved. If you have enough power, no one can do anything about it.Taking land from another country/territory might not always have proper justification, but that's how it is. The victorclearly inhabits theland, he simply must face whatever downsides exist that result frommaking the attack. Whether the loser accepts defeat or not does notmatter - the lone survivor can stand there exclaiming that the landstill belongs to him, but he will probably get struck down. Sorry, butI really don't see any logic in anything you'resaying. There's no reason that being on the land first makes "FirstNations" peoples the owners of the land, and personally I'm gettingreally sick of hearing that. If you think First Nations should own allof Canada, you'd better be all for EVERY border going back to what theywere originally when they were formed, no exceptions. Then what do youeven do for colonies that have been completely wiped out? Do other colonies fight over that land?

I lost my cell phone on the skytrain a few days ago. Legally I own it,but it's not in my possession and it seems I won't be getting it back.Therefore, I consider it a loss, I no longer actually own it. If I wereto find someone who took my phone, kept it for himself and I knew itwas mine (despite the guy having stripped it of anything connecting meto the phone), it would stillbe his. I lost it... the most I could do to get it back would requirehim to lose it and me to find it again. This might look like a flawedparallel because the guy might not know it actually belongs to me, butthe point remains that I can't do anything about it, just like acountry with a weak military (in past times) couldn't do much about theland it lost in war.

I'm not a history major... I'm in Universityfor something completely unrelated, and I haven't taken anythingrelated to Social Studies/History/Aboriginal Studies since what wasrequired in High School. I'm just applying common sense here...memorizingdates for an academic career doesn't sound too exciting. Actually doinganalysis of history would be much more interesting, and I hate makinganything I would consider close to a personal "attack", but it doesn'tseem like very much of that was required wherever you went to school.You just kind of state that they were here first, so they own the landregardless of whatever might have happened. Although maybe I'm wrong...maybe you have a reason for overlooking everything I mentioned. If youdo, correct me. I'm not so arrogant that I declare that I'm rightwithout hearing a response. I just hope I didn't ramble/repeat myselftoo much.

Muslimgirl is the clearest, most logical person in this thread.  She's stated the truth and you cannot dispute the truth.

I think Muslimgirl was using irony about the beating up and stealing house.  It seemed good enough and reasonable enough to do to other people (Native North Americans) years ago.  Using that logic, well, it's OK to do the same thing back, give you a taste of your OWN medicine.  The medicine that your very own ancestors might have dealt out - just reverse it and imagine you are now the loser instead of a native person.  How would it feel?