Vancouver Forum: Swine Flu and YOU

wishing me death..how nice
But not out of character I suppose
that's, no class at all

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DocWatson, on 07 November 2009 - 11:33 AM, said:

Dickhead Watson has a choice, but obvious he is too stupid and ignorant to listen to his family doctor, since Dickhead Watson will soon be in the high risk group to take the seasonal flu vaccine. He rather believe in his racist nutbar Jesuit/Chinese/Rothschild conspiracy theory that no one in their right mind believes in.

This post has been edited by dwirn: 07 November 2009 - 11:38 AM

DocWatson, on 07 November 2009 - 09:41 AM, said:

Doc, I know you have issues reading but did you miss the part where it was posted that Thimerosal has been used in vaccinations since the 1930s? It's been in pretty much every vaccination we've already had.

That's the problem, fool

The Dangers
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

DocWatson, on 07 November 2009 - 01:26 PM, said:

So it's a huge problem some 80s years later? But there you are, calling people stupid for getting a vaccine that contains the same things vaccines have contained for decades.

This post has been edited by RealWoman: 07 November 2009 - 01:29 PM

DocWatson, on 07 November 2009 - 11:33 AM, said:

Idiot! Why the double standard dummy?

I see you have forgotten the comments you made urging parents to refrain from getting their children vaccinated. I guess that means it's ok for kids to potentially die from your version of H1N1 care but not you eh? Dummy! You should be kept in close custody until the pandemic is over for the sake of the kids if no one else. You are a horrific advocate of death for the most innocent amongst us. Monster!

Does anyone else notice something wrong with this picture?

The Dangers
[part 2]


http://www.youtube.c...feature=channel

Forced Vaccination Bill/USA
http://www.youtube.c...DJ5XBseUHE&NR=1

Lou Dobbs /Forced Vaccinations
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Later/......@

Dickhead Watson would rather believe in his racist nutbar Jesuit/Chinese/Rothschild conspiracy theory instead of science.

H1N1 is fresh fodder for anti-vaccinators

By Jennifer Steinhauer / New York Times

POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Oct 16, 2009


Anti-vaccinators, as they are often referred to by scientists and doctors, have toiled for years on the margins of medicine. But an assemblage of factors around the swine flu vaccine — including confusion about how it was made, widespread speculation about whether it might be more dangerous than the virus itself, and complaints among some health care workers in New York about a requirement that they be vaccinated — is giving the anti-vaccine movement a fresh airing, according to health experts.

"I wonder if the people disseminating this false information about this vaccine realize that what they are doing could result in some people losing their lives," said Dr. Jonathan E. Fielding, the director of the Department of Public Health for Los Angeles County. The comments of vaccine dissenters, which he said "politically come from the left and the right," were frequently, he said, "not just counterproductive but downright disgraceful."
http://www.starbulle...accinators.html

Of course Dickhead Watson does not care of about the harm his disinformation he is disseminating because he is a racist nutbar and believes in his racist nutbar Jesuit/Chinese/Rothschild conspiracy theory that no one in his right mind believes in.

This post has been edited by dwirn: 07 November 2009 - 02:42 PM

RealWoman, on 07 November 2009 - 12:40 PM, said:

Even when faced with the facts, Doc continues to reveal his psychosis. Its epidemic in his posts.

Eurethra, you still dont get it ...[That's] the problem!
Oh!..and BTW the word you were struggling with, is 'Endemic.'...LOL

Epidemic...ha ha ha

STFU you piece of garbage, your insanity is EPIDEMIC in your posts...and now with you hand cuffed, unable to spew on about...well you know, that part has been tremendously funny to watch.

Eurito, on 07 November 2009 - 05:02 PM, said:

one just flew over the cuckoos nest...LOL
eh Eurethra

it's... 'endemic' fool

your insanity has reached epidemic proportions Doc (every thread your insanity shines through, it's stupidity to epidemic proportions in every post you touch) wholey fck its like talking to a 12 year old....now you're starting the same threads that were deleted just an hour ago?...now its a bit sad to watch you flounder on

Eurito, on 07 November 2009 - 06:46 PM, said:

Yo idiots, you're name calling,slandering and libelling Doc Watson is merely revealing your incompetence.Hit back with some substance, Doc Watson,if they attack you then...hit them where it hurts....Where it hurts is...What they are doing and what they are like. They can't look honestly at how what boring ,so sneaky, so spiteful,how jealous etc... they really are.So they hit back with insults and criticisms. They are searching everybody for things to criticise but while they are looking it takes their minds off of looking at themselves keeping them stupid and with little growth.This I believe has alot to do with why at 60 they are basically the same as when they were 30

If they attack you...come back with more articles from respected websites as you have been doing.

DocWatson, on 07 November 2009 - 01:26 PM, said:

Dutch pull Pfizer vaccine batch after infants die
110,000 doses of anti-infection drug Prevenar quarantined after deaths
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updated 11:02 a.m. PT, Thurs., Nov . 5, 2009
AMSTERDAM - Dutch authorities say they have banned use of a batch of Pfizer's Prevenar, or Prevnar, after three infants died within two weeks of receiving the anti-infection vaccination.

"On average about 5 to 10 deaths are reported annually after babies get vaccines," said a spokeswoman for the Dutch health institute RIVM.

"We now have three cases in a short period, that is unusual and the reason for suspending the batch."

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She said RIVM was investigating the cause of the infants' deaths. Other batches of Prevenar, known as Prevnar in the United States, will continue to be used.

Pfizer spokeswoman Gwen Fisher said preliminary investigations by the company and health authorities had found no link between the vaccinations and the deaths.

110,000 doses of anti-infection drug
She said the company initiated the "quarantine" of the batch which she said contained 110,000 doses of Prevenar, used to prevent pneumonia and related infections.

Fisher said the three infants also received two unrelated other vaccines as part of routine immunizations.

No other Prevenar batches were suspended and infants in the Netherlands will continue to be vaccinated with it as part of routine immunization, she added.

A spokesman for the European Medicines Agency in London said its officials were working with the Dutch authorities to find out if there were any safety issues with the vaccine batch.


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Wyeth, which has just been acquired by U.S. rival Pfizer, had asked for the suspension of batch D66977 of Prevenar, RIVM said in a statement.

Officials at Pfizer in New York could not immediately be reached for comment.

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Chris Patton, on 07 November 2009 - 09:00 PM, said:

thanks

Chris Patton, on 07 November 2009 - 08:16 PM, said:

aw someone needs a hug from you Doc...there there it'll all be ok

DocWatson, on 07 November 2009 - 01:33 PM, said:

More of DocWatson's fantasy world

Part 4,967,245

Chris Patton (aka Dickhead Watson) is so STUPID.
How STUPID is he?
He thinks that Cocoa Krispies can battle Swine Flu.

Critics blast Kellogg's claim that cereals can boost immunity
November 2 2009

Kellogg, the nation's largest cereal maker, is being called to task by critics who object to the swine flu-conscious claim now bannered in bold lettering on the front of Cocoa Krispies cereal boxes: "Now helps support your child's IMMUNITY."

Of all claims on cereal boxes, "this one belongs in the hall of fame," says Kelly Brownell, director of Yale University's Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity. "By their logic, you can spray vitamins on a pile of leaves, and it will boost immunity."

As the H1N1 virus worries parents and threatens children, the claim of supporting immunity is compelling to many. But it comes at a time foodmakers are being held more accountable for claims. The industry's self-created "Smart Choices" nutrition-labeling program was voluntarily halted recently after federal regulators expressed concern that such programs may be misleading.

Last week, San Francisco sent a letter to Kellogg and to the Food and Drug Administration asking Kellogg to prove its claim. "I am concerned the prominent use of the immunity claims to advertise a sugar-laden chocolate cereal like Cocoa Krispies may mislead and deceive parents of young children," said Dennis Herrera, the city attorney.

Kellogg says the critics are wrong. Development of the line started more than a year ago, and it was rolled out in May 2009. "It was not created to capitalize on the current H1N1 flu situation," spokeswoman Susanne Norwitz says. "Kellogg developed this product in response to consumers expressing a need for more positive nutrition."

Since studies showed that antioxidant vitamins A, C and E play an important role in the immune system, Kellogg increased its amount in the line — which includes Rice Krispies — from 10% daily value to 25% daily value, Norwitz says.

"The idea that eating Cocoa Krispies will keep a kid from getting swine flu, or from catching a cold, doesn't make sense," says Marion Nestle, nutrition professor at New York University. "Yes, these nutrients are involved in immunity, but I can't think of a nutrient that isn't involved in the immune system." Nestle saw the claims at a grocery store in August and sent a letter to the FDA. She hasn't heard back.

The FDA has jurisdiction over false or misleading labeling. FDA officials are not permitted to discuss specific cases under consideration and declined to comment on this one.
http://www.usatoday....ity-claim_N.htm

This post has been edited by dwirn: 07 November 2009 - 11:32 PM

Chris Patton, on 07 November 2009 - 08:16 PM, said:

hiya Doc!!

Another new handle I see?

Chris Patton, on 07 November 2009 - 08:16 PM, said:

Chris, you aren't getting it. Doc can't hit back with articles from respected websites because he doesn't have any in his repertoire. Conspiracy theories, journalist commentary, youtube videos, etc, doesn't scream reputable.

Whenever Doc is confronted with a question that he doesn't like, he ignores it. I just got him on his claim of a resurgence in Polio that he tried to use to refute claims of eradication in the Western Hemisphere. I doubt he even reads the crap he posts. He has posted oodles of links to the same story regarding Jane Burgermeister yet can't support his own claim that she is a "medical expert". She's a journalist. Period.

I think it's fair for people to know exactly who is behind the posted information. Doc has a very apparent agenda, and falls short on meeting the standards of credibility.

Great insight from today's New York Times.. couldn't have said it better:


November 10, 2009
Fearing a Flu Vaccine, and Wanting More of It
By PERRI KLASS, M.D.When I tell nonmedical friends that our clinic is vaccinating children against the H1N1 flu virus, here is what they say.

With about half, it is something like: “Oh, my God, our doctor doesn’t have it! Can you get me a dose?” And with the other half, it is something like, “Oh, my God, that brand-new vaccine — do you really think it’s safe?”

There is a peculiar duality in the collective cultural mind just now, a kind of pandemic doublethink. Other doctors I know are all eagerly having their own children immunized. Many are answering frantic calls from people desperate for the vaccine. But at the same time, we are all coming up against parents who are determined to refuse that same vaccine.

Wondering what history might have to say about this incongruous state of affairs, I called David M. Oshinsky, a professor of history at the University of Texas who wrote the Pulitzer Prize-winning “Polio: An American Story” (Oxford, 2005). Dr. Oshinsky compared the current vaccination campaign with two previous situations.

In 1947, a man newly arrived in New York City from Mexico died of smallpox. The authorities “lined up the entire city” and vaccinated everyone, even those who had already been vaccinated, Dr. Oshinsky said. “The entire city was revaccinated,” he added, “and there was no real resistance. People had a sense of risk versus reward and listened to public health officials.”

Then there were the polio vaccine trials of 1954, in which parents volunteered more than a million children to receive either an experimental vaccine or a placebo. And while they trusted the medical profession much more than parents do now, there was another factor, Dr. Oshinsky said: “They also had lived through virulent epidemics. That to me is probably the biggest issue of all. You’re dealing with parents who’ve never seen a smallpox epidemic, a polio epidemic.”

Few doctors now practicing have ever seen a single case of smallpox, much less an epidemic (thanks to vaccination). But when pediatricians look at today’s strain of H1N1, we tend to be good and scared.

Serious cases of this flu are relatively rare but far from unheard of; more than 100 children have died of H1N1. The deaths seem to occur disproportionately in children and pregnant women.

So we give the H1N1 vaccine to children whose parents are almost tearfully afraid of the virus, and we try to win over those parents who are just as tearfully afraid of the vaccine. To them, we explain over and over that in fact this is not a brand-new vaccine — it is made with the same techniques as the seasonal influenza vaccine. Yes, it has been tested. Yes, it’s safe. Yes, it’s effective.

“When I gave a discussion to a group of parents at my daughter’s day care,” said my friend Dr. Mitchell H. Katz, the San Francisco public health director, “I counseled parents who were worried about the risks of vaccination to give their children — if healthy — the nasal vaccine, because what don’t our children put up their noses?

“Given the variety of viruses that our children are exposed to through their noses, it’s very hard to imagine how the vaccination could be that different. I think a lot of people were comforted by that.”

Such is the ambivalence out there that some parents who were once scared of getting the vaccine are now scared of not getting it. “I’m still seeing both ends of this dichotomy,” said Dr. John Snyder, a pediatrician at St. Vincent’s Hospital in Manhattan, adding, “It’s a really interesting moment. I can’t recall anything like this before.”

A few weeks ago, I gave a talk in the pediatrics department at Vanderbilt University. Tennessee was hit hard by H1N1 in September and October, before vaccine was available.

“I’ve seen some pretty healthy kids that got sick really quick with no underlying identified diagnoses,” said Dr. Gregory Plemmons, an assistant professor of pediatrics at the Monroe Carell Jr. Children’s Hospital at Vanderbilt. He spoke of children who needed lots of oxygen, who developed fluid collections in their chests and who stayed in the hospital for days and days.

There had been some tragic and terrifying deaths; I read the news articles about a kindergartner — healthy boy, no asthma, no heart disease — who died at Vanderbilt in early September, and the subsequent meetings held at his school with crowds of worried parents, about the sanitizing of the school and the wiping down of the district’s 600 school buses.

There was no H1N1 vaccine available in early September, but Dr. Plemmons said his clinic had recently received a limited supply. “I think there’s some parents that are clamoring for it, some that are fearful that the vaccine is just as dangerous as the actual disease,” he said.

Dr. Paul A. Offit, chief of infectious diseases at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, has written extensively about vaccines and the antivaccine movement. The H1N1 vaccine has 60 years of experience and technology behind it, he said; it’s safe, it’s clearly effective — and yet many people still have difficulty “figuring out where the real risks lie.”

Dr. Offit wondered if people were more comfortable with sins of omission than of commission. Rather than inject a foreign substance into your body, he went on, “you’ll take your chances with a natural virus infection, which may or may not kill you.”

We are not seeing an epidemic of devastating disease, at least not now. But we are seeing a lot of infections with a virus against which children have no immunity, and which has already caused more deaths in children under 5 than we would see in years of regular seasonal flu.

The divided public mood about H1N1 — fear of vaccine and fear that there won’t be enough of it — reminds Dr. Offit of a joke Woody Allen tells in “Annie Hall.” One woman complains that the food at a Catskills resort is terrible, and her friend agrees: “And such small portions!”

So yes, I’m scared. I worry about H1N1 when a young child with cough and fever shows up; I worry about not being able to pick out that healthy child who may go on to get very sick, very fast. That is your basic pediatric nightmare: How do we judge which children are likely to get better and which few may get much sicker, and even die? That is why I find myself trying to offer parents exactly what I want for my own children: vaccine, protection, immunity.

In the clinic, we advise parents to have their children immunized, especially those with asthma or other chronic problems. “People all over the city are begging for this vaccine,” I heard another doctor tell a mother. “We’re incredibly lucky that we have it.”

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Ya Doc let's talk about the Swine Flu because you know...I'm not quite getting enough of it in the Media...like the real Media....so ya bring it on big boy and I'll spend my whole night freaking out about getting the flu or the vaccine...or both!!!!!


Hey Doc are you a shut in....because if you are I take everything back I've ever said and want to take this opportunity to apologize...I was misunderestamated

DocWatson, on 12 November 2009 - 03:12 PM, said:

Of course, Dickhead Watson is TOO STUPID to post a proper link. It goes NO WHERE like Dickhead Watson racist nutbar rants against the head of WHO, Doctor Margaret Chan.

http://www.discoverv...ic-t362606.html

it is apparent that this vital information is being pulled/censored from the net, but I have found a way around that..try this

Swine Flu: Bad Science & Massive Cover Up
http://www.resistnet...bad-science-amp

DocWatson, on 12 November 2009 - 03:24 PM, said:

You're boring Doc ... BORING! All you have to ofer is more bs, more conspiracies, more lies. Try something new and different for a change.

Dark Canuck, on 12 November 2009 - 03:24 PM, said:

Canadians aren't as stupid as they figured..back to the drawing board/Maggie

well done DC

And this idiotic commentary comes for the racist anti-Chinese nutbar Dickhead Watson who lied about the Chinese Bubonic Plague becoming a pandemic.